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    Quote Originally Posted by Remo View Post
    In perspective:
    Compared to the pursuit of world peace - this is nothing.
    Five years from now what will it matter?

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    what he said !! remember the old term RF (Rat F***) ? This was a classic RF !

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    Boy call me a fence sitter. I honestly don't know where to come down on this one.

    A. Did it really send a message to GM that we want the car? If they haven't figured that out by now, then they are really in trouble.

    B. I wouldn't go so far as to call it harmless prank, if it causes all of us to look at spy photos with some skepticism.

    C. Final conclusion, based on the kind of individuals that were involved: It was just plain dumb!!!


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    I can be patient on the whole SS thing, and spy photos don't really excite me that much (unless it is of a new generation), but I'm a little confused. Were all the photos false then? I believe the first spy shot car was black, was that authentic from GM, or also part of the hoax?


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    That was messed up! Why would someone do a thing like this!?!??!? I am ready for a faster the Z06 but this has just killed those thoughts. I wonder if this has happened before in auto history (or to narrow it more Vette).

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    Spy photos duped? So, who are the dupes? Winding Road's rationale for doing it was wrong, IMO, but I don't know anyone who takes spy photos seriously. I don't. I don't agree with what they did. (Somehow, tho, I'm reminded of the Orson Wells "War of the Worlds" radio spoof...)

    Any harm done? Doubt it. I never heard of winding road before this, and now they can fade back to obscurity again.....

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    They should put the perp in JAIL! Just who did this?

    Borat?

    The guys that did this are probably laughing their tails off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Remo View Post
    In perspective:
    Compared to the pursuit of world peace - this is nothing.
    Five years from now what will it matter?

    Remo
    Five minutes after it happened it did not matter, in point of fact it did not matter while it was in process. People need to take a deep breath. I like the new C6 sure but all this Holy Grail, searchng for the Fountain Of Youth and other such fanaticism is a little over the top. When all is said and done it is a car for crying out loud we are not talking about proof of or a hoax about finding documented extra-terrestial life. Take a deep break it is a joke lighten up.

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    I agree, in the grand scheme of things who gives a f***? We should be counting our blessings that the fugly thing isn't it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nutmegger View Post
    Five minutes after it happened it did not matter, in point of fact it did not matter while it was in process. People need to take a deep breath.
    Couldn't agree more. It was spy shots (that showed nothing we didn't already know), which are ultimately disposable anyway. This is much adieu about nothing, especially not a special "Newsflash!" message sent to our online mailboxes.

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    Default I think it was pretty clever.....

    I had never heard of Winding Road before....NEVER...and now everyone that has read this thread knows about them. You may not like them for what they did, you may sign up because you think it is funny and want to know more about them.

    At any rate, in the world of publicity, there is no such thing as bad publicity. I think they made a calculated ploy with the end game to get their name out there. I think mission accomplished!

    Like I said, until today I never heard of them and I bet online advertisers may pay per the number of hits or some other such thing......pretty clever I say!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rob View Post
    Enthusiasts are not pleased, and they shouldn't be. They were duped in a very big way.
    To me this sums up the biggest complaint about all this. People caught a pie smack in the face and they are now upset they got duped. Awwww...get over it! So you got duped! So what? What's it change? Ab-so-lutely nothing in the grand scheme of things.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Doane
    Needless to say, we certainly don't want people in the automotive world getting the idea that we fake our spy photos because that is something we NEVER do. If our clients thought we were giving them fabricated photos, we obviously wouldn't be in business very long.
    Quote Originally Posted by Brenda Priddy
    unfortunately the buzz regarding their "prank" has in turn discredited our images as well.
    Quite the opposite in my eyes! Since Brenda Priddy and Chris Doane already have solid reputations, this should only solidify their position as a reliable source of spy shots! Their name wasn't attached to the bogus photos. If anything, they can command a higher price for their shots because they have been reliable. As Chris said, they don't do fakes. If they did, they wouldn't be in business.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Doane
    I'm struggling to see the point of this stunt. ...Winding Road tells the tale of the fake prototype, the point of the ruse was to deceive other publications into running the photos.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rob
    this is...a very pathetic attempt at generating some online traffic and revenue to their web site
    Was it an attempt to solely generate webtraffic and revenue? Was that their primary reason for doing this? That's speculation at best (or as Rob says "his opinion"). Maybe they just saw it as a funny joke on the industry. ...And they happen to run a website that distributes an e-zine and they have advertisers. What website doesn't nowadays??? It's easy to say they did it for attention. Yes, they did! But the attention was drawn to whole spoof thing. Yes, of course they are going to get more web traffic, just as the CAC does by distributing an email to all the membership hoping to get them to come to the CAC and read about "The Web Of Deception". Is talking about the spoofed photos and duped press simply a ploy to get more traffic to the CAC and for the advertisers? I believe it was to bring to light the Winding Road spoof. However, Winding Road (or anyone else for that matter) could easily claim that the CAC is using their Winding Road material to simply generate more traffic for the CAC and it's advertisers. The pendulum of "speculation" can and does swing both ways.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chris Doane
    If I had to guess...Motor Trend (isn't) laughing. All of these outlets published the photos of the fake car on their websites believing it to be an authentic GM prototype.
    Quote Originally Posted by Rob
    The Editor-in-Chief of Winding Road magazine happens to be none other than David E. Davis, Jr., whose career in the automotive industry is quite extensive. ...He is also the editorial director for Motor Trend magazine.
    So if Motor Trend ran these photos and D.E. Davis knew they were fakes, who at Motor Trend is accepting responsibility? Where does Davis's loyalty reside??? If anyone should be upset, it's Motor Trend since one of their own people was in on the scam. I believe they are the only ones with real cause for complaint because they got "pantsed" in public by one of their own.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob
    The reasoning used by Winding Road does not justify the act and the results. To publicly state that Corvette fanatics and automotive enthusiasts have exhibited "irresponsible speculation" is ridiculous. How is it irresponsible and on what credentials does Winding Road rest that opinion on?
    Not sure if this is answering your question, but the public creates these niches and Winding Road simply filled it. This is nothing more than fabricated paparazzi stunt. And people ate it up. And Winding Road had possibly the last laugh. If people weren't crazy for spy shots and magazines didn't pay crazy amounts of money for these pictures to create their own media frenzy, then this stunt never would've taken place or gotten the notice that it did. Either everyone is guilty or no one is guilty (save for maybe Motor Trend).

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob
    So because they are enthusiasts to the core and want GM to build this car they invested $400 (of advertiser revenue)
    More "speculation" (and now irony) to which you seem so taken aback by...

    Quote Originally Posted by Rob
    One Corvette site owner commented: "What Winding Road did is unprofessional…and I'll have more to say about it shortly." This statement comes from someone who has no problem slapping their web site address on GM copyrighted and embargoed photos, and posting them all over the web in order to generate increased site traffic. When GM took exception to the posting of GM embargoed photos of a 2006 Z06 prior to the lifting of the embargo, the site owner publicly stated "GM should probably find a better use of their time than p-g off current and future Corvette owners."
    Hahahah...

    So basically, my opinion on all this is that anyone who's pi$$ed off is simply "sour grapes". Y'all got duped. Hook, line, & sinker! And now all the high and mighty are embarrassed because maybe they played into someone else gameplan or because they too wanted to believe it was real..or maaaybe because they spent a lot of money on what turned out to be nothing. (Lesson learned? I guess that's the risk you take with paparazzi shots!!!). Whatever the reason, I don't see anything irresponsible about it. Winding Road played a joke on everyone and got away with it.

    If there's any repercussions to be absorbed by Winding Road it's that they will have a hard time breaking any more news because it's going to be highly questioned now. Everything will be tinted with some amount of skepticism. Hence why I said that they only possibly got the last laugh. if their advertisers leave en masse...well... "Whoops!"

    On a slight tangent but still relative to all this "spy shot" craziness... how upset can one be? They are spy shots!!! This like getting a hacked version of the newest version of Windows before it's released. Spy shots aren't even 'beta' software. In this case, it's like an alpha-release of some software and then people whining when the final shipping product doesn't resemble the what they saw months prior. In the grand scheme of things, when it's ready, you'll see it. Period. Artists conceptualizations, renderings, spy shots, faked spy shots, whatever whatever whatever... It might be close to the real deal, and it might not be. If you want to believe, then go ahead. But don't get all pi$$y when you find out it's not legit or that the final product isn't what you expected. Because when the real deal is finally released, all the renderings, visualizations, spyshots, fake or otherwise, won't mean squat!
    So get over yourselves! Laugh at yourselves and at what's been done!
    (Anyways, if Winding Road hadn't come forward, it eventually would've make it into Snopes. )

    ...and that's my unsolicited 2¢ opinion.

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    Wheel Spin doesn't have any real news to report? Are their reporters and writers to lazy to go find something worthwhile to give to their readers? If they don't have anything of value to put in the magazine then they should go find a new vocation. As a prank, this one ranks up there, but it is not very funny so it's hard to enjoy it. Besides, nobody likes to be the butt of a prank, even a lame one like this. 2 cents worth.

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    Geez, Evolution, do you have to be so uncompromisingly thorough with such a plethora of thoughts? Your last sentence was enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Curtis View Post
    Geez, Evolution, do you have to be so uncompromisingly thorough with such a plethora of thoughts? Your last sentence was enough.
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    All good comments made...
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