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    Quote Originally Posted by Hib Halverson View Post
    That said, I am glad Fox and AOL are at least covering the issue. The only way E15 is going to be "stopped" is if people are informed.
    On the other hand, I'm the type that stops listening at the first sign of misinformed BS and sky-is-falling hysteria, so their over the top double talk reporting does more harm than good.

    Yes, E15 is a crock of sh*t as is E10 and E85 but I'm not sure that the AOL/Fox way of 'informing' consumers is the best bang for the buck. It simply encourages misguided attempts to avoid the issue and encourages the snake oil salesmen to come up with more ineffective miracles in a can to 'fix' it. I'm sure the Seafoam, Stabil and Startron marketeers are some of the biggest supporters of E15.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vettehead Mikey View Post
    On the other hand, I'm the type that stops listening at the first sign of misinformed BS and sky-is-falling hysteria, so their over the top double talk reporting does more harm than good.

    Yes, E15 is a crock of sh*t as is E10 and E85 but I'm not sure that the AOL/Fox way of 'informing' consumers is the best bang for the buck. It simply encourages misguided attempts to avoid the issue and encourages the snake oil salesmen to come up with more ineffective miracles in a can to 'fix' it. I'm sure the Seafoam, Stabil and Startron marketeers are some of the biggest supporters of E15.
    It's the nature of today's media, Mikey. If they can't shock you, they don't believe you will listen. They cater to 10 second attention spans with nice short sentences and easy to spell words. Tuning them out is tempting but occasionally a nugget of truth gets passed over if you ignore them completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vettehead Mikey View Post
    On the other hand, I'm the type that stops listening at the first sign of misinformed BS and sky-is-falling hysteria, so their over the top double talk reporting does more harm than good.

    Yes, E15 is a crock of sh*t as is E10 and E85 but I'm not sure that the AOL/Fox way of 'informing' consumers is the best bang for the buck. It simply encourages misguided attempts to avoid the issue and encourages the snake oil salesmen to come up with more ineffective miracles in a can to 'fix' it. I'm sure the Seafoam, Stabil and Startron marketeers are some of the biggest supporters of E15.

    I'm trying to understand if you are discounting the move towards E15, railing against it, taking shots at pour-in additive makers or just are amp'ed up against FNC.

    In any event, there's quite a bit of momentum behind E15.

    Right now so-called "E10" actually runs about 7-8% ethanol. If E15 is forced on us, it will double the amount of alcohol in the fuel and legend has it that older vehicles, say those built prior to the mid-00s may have problems with it.

    If there's any sliver lining, it's that the "wind is blowing" towards a system which will require gasoline retailers to have separate pumps for E15.

    One reason E85 cars have different fuel systems using a lot of stainless steel is the corrosive nature of E85. E15, while less corrosive, will just damage some fuel system parts at a slower rate.

    Also, the decrease in fuel mileage that comes with "normal" alcohol-blended fuel will be greater with E15, but...if your a corn farmer, you'll be lovin' it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hib Halverson View Post
    I'm trying to understand if you are discounting the move towards E15, railing against it, taking shots at pour-in additive makers or just are amp'ed up against FNC.
    Mikey and I both go back a long way on forums so I feel confident in saying he is a skeptic who isn't trying to kick anyone in the shins.

    From what I've read in this thread, I would say Mikey....


    • doesn't like E15 or other 'alternative' fuels for today's vehicles
    • doesn't think highly of snake oil OR pour-in additives
    • doesn't think highly of media who can't be bothered to research before they start scare-mongering
    • doesn't figure the fuel companies are going to get much traction on ethanol added fuels without significant changes in both engine design AND consumer preferences


    but I stand to be corrected.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Hib Halverson View Post
    but...if your a corn farmer, you'll be lovin' it.
    Hell yeah.....use that ethanol up....10,15,20,30%.......it ain't gonna hurt you our your car. Out here we can blend it at the pump. We love the stuff! Now the fact that most of the ethanol plants in the State are shut down because of the high price of a bushel of corn should make you naysayers happy.....also now they are saying there is 130 trillion dollars worth of oil yet to be tapped here in the good ole USA on lands they control, so maybe we should put some energy towards developing those resources and using that to pay down the debt. But no matter, as long as the gubberment say's we still need an oxygenator in the fuel ethanol will be around for a long time..........let's see what color should I get that new C7.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    Mikey and I both go back a long way on forums so I feel confident in saying he is a skeptic who isn't trying to kick anyone in the shins.

    From what I've read in this thread, I would say Mikey....


    • doesn't like E15 or other 'alternative' fuels for today's vehicles
    • doesn't think highly of snake oil OR pour-in additives
    • doesn't think highly of media who can't be bothered to research before they start scare-mongering
    • doesn't figure the fuel companies are going to get much traction on ethanol added fuels without significant changes in both engine design AND consumer preferences


    but I stand to be corrected.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Vettehead Mikey View Post
    You know me better than my own mother.

    Daddy? Is that you?
    Don't get me started on the mother jokes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    Don't get me started on the mother jokes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vettehead Mikey View Post
    Aw c'mon, you know you wanna. Just a few............
    That's what your momma said...

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    Sometimes I forget that Mac and Mikey are in Canada.

    Do the environmental authorities in Canada mandate blended gasolines in places with bad air quality like they do in the states?

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    HI there,

    Lets look at this from a technician point of view.

    Aside from the mutual understanding that ethanol in any form reduces fuel mileage and increases the corrosive nature of the fuel inside your fuel supply system, there are other factors that need to be addressed.

    Ethanol mixing is far from accurate. Using an accurate fuel composition tester here in Ct, I have tested fuels that are supposed E10 and see concentrations as low as 6% and as HIGH as 27%. The higher the % of alcohol, the greater the driveability concerns and problems with power if your vehicle is NOT FLEX FUEL EQUIPPED.

    E85 flex fuel vehicles can compensate and run the E85 due to a number of reasons. Redesigned fuel pipes, pumps, injectors are only PART of the story. Completely redesigned programming of the engine control module to DETERMINE ethanol content is also part of it. And now, with the inaccuracies of that system, they are now coming back with composition sensors as part of the fuel systems because of what they are dealing with.

    And if you EVER try to put ethanol in pre 1997 Corvette, it can actually short out fuel injectors due to the corrosive nature of the fuel flowing past injector electrical windings. This is for Crossfire, L98, and Multec 1 design injectors.

    Nevermind the fact that with the necessary fuel filters that absorb water, and the fact that ethanol encapsulates water, this just creates MORE issues.

    Is there a clear cut solution, I dont think so. However, the advent of direct fuel injection in the LT1 is a start for Corvette to be able to use E15 and more. But as far as GM vehicles, they state VERY CLEARLY.
    However, ethanol blends greater than E 10 should not be used in GM vehicles that do not have a flex fuel designation as they are not designed and certified to run on gasoline consisting of more than 10 percent ethanol-blend volume to avoid any unintended consequences, as per their Owner Manual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hib Halverson View Post
    Sometimes I forget that Mac and Mikey are in Canada.

    Do the environmental authorities in Canada mandate blended gasolines in places with bad air quality like they do in the states?
    It's funny... In some regards, Canada is highly regulated. In others, particularly this area, there is very little, if any, regulation.

    If one believes the enviro-wackos, Canada's federal government is lagging behind the world on most forms of regulations to address emissions. We adopted our form of Tier 1 regulations in 1997 and Tier 2 in 2004 but there haven't been any draconian regulations. At the local level, only one province has vehicle emissions regulations... and that was mainly to support a clean air program called "Air Care" in the Fraser Valley as air quality was poor in Vancouver.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hib Halverson View Post
    Sometimes I forget that Mac and Mikey are in Canada.

    Do the environmental authorities in Canada mandate blended gasolines in places with bad air quality like they do in the states?
    Hib-

    Not sure about the rest of Canada, but we've had E10 gas for over 20 years in Eastern Canada where Mac and I are, although it was marketed as gasahol back then. I clearly remember the signboards at the MacEwen gas stations that showed an ear of corn being shoved in the tank. Can't find a picture of that, but here's the modern equivalent

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    I've used E10 in every vehicle including the Corvette since the early 90s and have not had one actual problem. I don't know of anybody that has had a problem either, including any of the guys in my NCRS chapter who are not known to put lots of miles on their cars. My summer toys get stored for 6 months a year over the winter, my winter toys 6 months a year over the summer. I use no additives of any type. The ONLY possible issue was one of the chainsaws needed a new primer bulb as the old one went stiff, but it was ten years old anyway.

    It's pretty hard to agree with the sky is falling predictions or the need to use additives to keep bad things from happening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vettehead Mikey View Post
    Hib-

    Not sure about the rest of Canada, but we've had E10 gas for over 20 years in Eastern Canada where Mac and I are, although it was marketed as gasahol back then. I clearly remember the signboards at the MacEwen gas stations that showed an ear of corn being shoved in the tank. Can't find a picture of that, but here's the modern equivalent



    I've used E10 in every vehicle including the Corvette since the early 90s and have not had one actual problem. I don't know of anybody that has had a problem either, including any of the guys in my NCRS chapter who are not known to put lots of miles on their cars. My summer toys get stored for 6 months a year over the winter, my winter toys 6 months a year over the summer. I use no additives of any type. The ONLY possible issue was one of the chainsaws needed a new primer bulb as the old one went stiff, but it was ten years old anyway.

    It's pretty hard to agree with the sky is falling predictions or the need to use additives to keep bad things from happening.


    Yea, I hate it when my bulb goes stiff!!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mac View Post
    At the local level, only one province has vehicle emissions regulations... and that was mainly to support a clean air program called "Air Care" in the Fraser Valley as air quality was poor in Vancouver.

    -Mac
    On the other hand, I've been dealing with Ontario's 'drive clean' program and it's wacko testing methods. This is to get the daily beaters certified, not the Corvette. The approval system used till just recently measured actual tailpipe emissions. The new system in place now couldn't care less about that, and the technician simply plugs into the OBD2 port and looks for current fault codes, evidence that codes had been deleted or confirmation that all is well. The problem is that if any repair has been done to ready the car for the test and demonstrate that it's in top shape, this obviously can been seen in the computer, and gives you an automatic fail.

    Nice.

    In my case, I had the classic loose gas cap scenario (P0456) which was easily fixed but gave me a fail as the technician reset all the codes. I had to do a 40KM drive around the countryside TWICE to get the car to complete the self tests and give the required P1111 'all is well signal'. What waste..................

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