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    Default Can the US Afford 60-MPG Cars? - How new CAFE regulations will change American cars

    As the federal government prepares to update the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) regulations, it is considering new rules that could require 62 mpg by 2025 (though word leaked this weekend that the government might opt for a slightly less stringent standard that would ramp up to 56 mpg). How these rules would change the auto fleet of the future—and the price of a car—is the subject of contentious debate.

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    No doubt about it, saving fuel with higher mpg vehicles is going to be expensive. It's going to make buying fuel seem cheap.
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    Flag The electric toys just keep getting better, well at least more expensive...


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    That is 10 years out and a lot can happen .Toyota and others are looking at hydrogen .
    That said in today's market my daily driver is a Ford Fiesta about $15,000 out the door with the optional steering wheel and lug nuts .If I work hard at it like drafting behind a bread truck and not stopping at signs and light's 50mpg .I could have paid $14,000 more for a hybrid and gotten the same mileage roughly .

    The point is that cars are getting more efficient every year .Now trucks are a different issue .i have a 3/4 ton F250 4x4 (new) and that sucker sucks fuel no matter if ya drafted behind a locomotive

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    Quote Originally Posted by vett boy View Post
    That is 10 years out and a lot can happen .Toyota and others are looking at hydrogen .
    That said in today's market my daily driver is a Ford Fiesta about $15,000 out the door with the optional steering wheel and lug nuts .If I work hard at it like drafting behind a bread truck and not stopping at signs and light's 50mpg .I could have paid $14,000 more for a hybrid and gotten the same mileage roughly .

    The point is that cars are getting more efficient every year .Now trucks are a different issue .i have a 3/4 ton F250 4x4 (new) and that sucker sucks fuel no matter if ya drafted behind a locomotive
    Agreed about new tech making cars get better mileage etc...

    My Toyota Tundra gets better mileage than any other fullsized vehicle (cars or trucks) I've owned, bar none. It doesn't compare with a Fiesta by any stretch of the imagination but I get up to 26 MPG on the highway... pretty good for a 4X4 pickup... It's the 4.6 lt smaller V8.

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    If you haven't yet, test drive a Tesla S. See what linear torque delivery feels like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xfirez51 View Post
    If you haven't yet, test drive a Tesla S. See what linear torque delivery feels like.


    It feels very expensive for what you get.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by LLC5 View Post
    I feels very expensive for what you get.......
    I didn't say buy it, I said drive it. And it's not any more expensive than a 7 series is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xfirez51 View Post
    I didn't say buy it, I said drive it. And it's not any more expensive than a 7 series is.
    My neighbour just got one. I haven't had it out yet. It's too winter in Canada for that.

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    I don't want to save fuel....there is enough oil out there to last a very long time and a lot of it is right in our backyard......so screw that tree hugging green crap......I want horsepower, torque, 8 cylinders and 11 second quarters.......and I want a car to sound so good it gives me a ........er....nevermind.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Huskerman View Post
    I don't want to save fuel....there is enough oil out there to last a very long time and a lot of it is right in our backyard......so screw that tree hugging green crap......I want horsepower, torque, 8 cylinders and 11 second quarters.......and I want a car to sound so good it gives me a ........er....nevermind.........
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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    fiberglass viagra with 4 rubbers?

    Do you spend half of your time dodging greenpeace assassins?

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    Hi there,

    GM has been researching hydrogen for near 10 years. I was fortunate to drive and work on these cars pictured below.

    Yes, that technology at 440 volts is excellent. Volt at 360 volts is an amazing driving and running car having driven one for 2 weeks.

    The fact is we would have hydrogen, were it not for the present administrations removal of the hydrogen subsidy.

    As for the rest, the people that think this is new is ridiculous. Talk a Buick 3.8 that got 30 mpg easily in a 4000 lb car back in the 1990s, Chevette diesel that got 50mpg with a manual, Duramax diesel that can get 25mpg in 2wd form. And then talk about a Corvette that can get 30mpg and STILL meet all federal emissions standards as well as put down 450 horsepower.

    My point is, many manufacturers were already KNEW this one statement to be true!

    With greater fuel efficiency, comes GREATER POWER AND DRIVABILITY on a day in day out basis.

    Stratified charge engines will continue to grow in popularity as they should, And so will electrical vehicles. But for the basic day in day out transportation, electrical hybrids are excellent choices IMO, as long as commutes are within 50 miles.

    The government should start opening their eyes, and realize, your not in your element and start talking with people who KNOW cars, not just drive policy by lobbyists.

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    Our government has lost touch with reality. When it comes to vehicles, they are appliance operators; who I'd bet cannot change their oil. If and when they do listen, they listen to special interest groups whose mechanical knowledge is based on what they read in all the wrong places. That wasn't a political comment; just an idle observation.

    Another avenue is NG, in Germany I saw a BMW SUV which ran on Benzin (I believe that is German for gasoline) or natural gas. The owner was quite taken with my curiousity and I was given the red carpet tour.
    Under the filler door, there was both a standard fill opening and a threaded fitting for NG. A switch on the dash changed it from one to the other. When the engine was switched from gasoline to NG or NG to gasoline, it stumbled for a second.
    He said to avoid potential damage to the engine, using gasoline occasionally was required.
    Which kinda leads me to believe their Benzin is leaded? As I wasn't dressed for it, I couldn't crawl under the car to look and knew my German is too poor to ask if das Benzin is leaded or unleaded.

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