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Rob
09-04-07, 11:20 AM
The Ever-Changing World of Internet Business and its Effects on Automotive Online Communities

by Rob Loszewski
Tuesday, September 4, 2007
2007 Rob Loszewski, Corvette Action Center
No use without permission

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/images/columns/wheelspin/wheelspin2.gifAs many folks are aware, the Corvette Forum and several other online automotive communities were recently purchased by a company called "Internet Brands." Internet Brands operates many e-commerce and online community sites and also supplies internet software services.

Within one week of publicly announcing the purchase of CF and the other sites, they filed a registration statement for a proposed initial public offering. Not surprising after watching them gobble up approximately 5-6 companies specializing in online communities and related software.

Many of the members of CF expressed concerns about the future of the site, supporting memberships, post capability, moderation, etc. Not surprisingly, many of those concerns were presented to me by our members regarding the future of the Corvette Action Center, where it's been, where it's going and what my plans are for it.

Recently, Internet Brands decided to run streaming video ads that appear in the first post, on the first page of every thread in the forums. Many CF members have expressed a public outcry against this and jumped ship to Digital Corvettes and a couple other sites. Several members here have forwarded some interesting comments and beliefs posted by CF members in a few threads that have been locked at CF. I thought I'd take this opportunity to address any and all concerns by our members and others.

The most common question I've been asked recently is, "have you received any offers to sell the Corvette Action Center?" I have in fact received several offers over the last couple of years, but I have repeatedly turned them all down.

Censorship and Moderation

Recently, I've been informed that the forums here are viewed as being too heavily moderated and censored. The censorship part makes me laugh because after reviewing some of the posts made by these people on other sites, I can totally understand their discontent about being censored. A lot of the BS I read from them would not fly here and it's really no sweat off my...

CF, DC and all the other online automotive communities, including this one, have their own unique characteristics and online dynamics. Troy Roberts and his Administration ran Corvette Forum according to their own set of rules and guidelines. Patrick Gramm and his Administration run Digital Corvettes according to their own set of rules and guidelines. Some sites have more rules and guidelines than others, and some sites let more crap fly than others. There really is no right or wrong way to run an online automotive community.

From day one, the Administration here has operated these forums more strictly than CF and DC. I established a set of operating guidelines as best I could in order to encourage across the board fairness between members as much as possible. At times, they've been helpful and at times they've been a hindrance. Regardless of whether it's an online or offline community we're talking about; rules, laws and guidelines are never 100% fair across the board, but as site owners, administrators and moderators, we always strive to be as fair as possible.

When the Corvette Action Center first started out, we ran these forums pretty strict. Over time, I've loosened a lot of that and let more stuff fly than before. I don't let as much stuff fly as CF or DC allows, but that's how I choose to run these forums. It's been successful and the feedback I've received about how these forums operate has been encouraging. I don't intend on changing anything.

Regarding the accusation of censorship here, if you post something here that falls outside the guidelines we've established, then yes, the Administration here will edit or delete your post if necessary. After observing how Corvette Forum, Digital Corvettes and all the other online Corvette communities operate out there, they too will edit and delete member posts if the content of those posts fall outside the guidelines that their site owners established. Yes, our guidelines are more strict, but unless a member(s) presents valid reasons to change one or more of those guidelines I see no reason to change them.

If you do not agree with how any of the Administrators and Moderators act here, I have always encouraged our members to contact me privately and let me know their thoughts. The Administrators and Moderators help me run the site, but they too are human and make mistakes. They are not perfect and if you feel you're being singled out for something or there is a bigger issue looming on the horizon, then you need to bring it to my attention. I'm not always in the forums 24/7 and I don't always know every little problem or detail being discussed or argued. Those of you that have been long time members here, know damn well that I have no problem removing or demoting someone from the Administration. I've done it before, and I'll do it again if necessary.

While I'm also on the topic of moderation and censorship, I've heard another interesting rumor based upon the looney delusions of a previous member. I am the only one that has direct access to the databases here on the Corvette Action Center, and NO, I do not look at member usernames and passwords, log in as them, and post under their accounts. All member passwords are MD5 encrypted in the database.

MD5, or Message Digest Algorithm 5, is a cryptographic hash function that outputs a message digest (or fingerprint) of the input. MD5 is an 128-bit encryption. Compared to other cryptographic encryptions, MD5 is very fast to compute under a 32-bit computer—that's why it is so widely used. MD5 is used on virtually all forums and interactive online communities that involves authentication. If you ever used Invision Power Board, OpenBB, or vBulletin (the software that runs these forums) — their user passwords are all encrypted in MD5. MD5 is also used in verifying data integrity—meaning to make sure that data has not been changed. So your password may be "moron", but in the database that password looks like "3l5k6j3h56lkj3h56lj". If you try entering "3l5k6j3h56lkj3h56lj" with its respective username, you will not be able to log into the forums.

That's why, if you contact me and tell me that you forgot your password and need to know what it is, I will either ask you to tell me what you want it to be and I'll manually reset it for you, or I'll have the system send out a password reminder to you which is nothing more than a means for you to change your password rather than find out what it originally was. Unless you tell me what your password is, it is impossible for me or anyone else to log into your account and post as you.

Forum Activity and Popularity

As for the lower degree of activity seen here as compared to CF and DC, personally, it really doesn't phase me. I've always run these forums by the motto of "Quality not Quantity," and I'd rather see a few posts with quality responses rather than a million posts with dumb-ass remarks and smilies all over the place. Other Corvette sites don't have a problem with that, and that's totally up to them how they want to run their forums.

The other interesting fact is that the Corvette Action Center was built using a much different model than many of the other online Corvette community sites were. I didn't want the CAC to be just another clone of something that already works well and is successful.

The other sites consist mainly of forums and some galleries. The forums here are just one small part of a very large web site. The History section, Knowledgebase, Portal, Model Center and all of the technical information contained within makes up the main part of the Corvette Action Center. The forums here are not the largest, but the Corvette Action Center *is* the largest Corvette web site out there.

Contrary to popular belief, running a web site, depending on its size and traffic, can take an enormous amount of time, effort and money. Just because it costs little to nothing to access the web from home or work, doesn't mean that there are no costs associated with running a web site.

A web site is nothing more than a bunch of static files and databases containing bits and bytes of data on a server - not unlike your personal computer at home or work. Servers require electricity, software and software upgrades (which require the purchase of licenses), maintenance, etc. Unless you run your web site out of your own home, the server resides at a hosting company - a company that specializes in running servers and connecting users to the web. Servers and hosting companies are, in my opinion, the backbone of the world wide web. It's web sites and their content provided that make up the filler. All of this requires money. Several site owners choose to fund their sites in various ways. Some make it their full-time job and heavily market their sites to companies and potential advertisers in order to generate revenue. Some site owners build their web site and when the opportunity presents itself, sells it off for a profit. Some run their web sites on a shoestring budget and really don't care about how much revenue it generates. There really is no right or wrong here. It's all in how you choose to run your web site and what your own personal goals are for it.

Some site owners prefer to guerilla-market their web sites while others prefer to use some pretty low, underhanded tactics to market their sites - this coming from a couple vendors who have approached me recently with some interesting comments they received. A rather sad way to conduct business in order to pad your own pockets, but I suppose...business is business and everything else is just fluff on a cake so I'm told...

Where We've Been and Where We're Going

In answer to many of the questions I've received, yes, running the Corvette Action Center is a full-time job, but it is not what pays my mortgage or all of my other bills. I have a full-time day job and the Corvette Action Center takes up most of my spare time outside of that job. Could I quit my day job and devote 100% of my time into the Corvette Action Center? Absolutely, but for various reasons, I've chosen not to. Maybe someday I will, but for the for seeable future, i'm continuing on with my career.

Will we integrate streaming video ads here like Internet Brands' has done with the Corvette Forum? No. I see no need to do so. While I'm not saying that Internet Brands' decision to run streaming video ads was a wise one, I don't really see much of a big deal with them. Obviously, many CF members feel otherwise.

My goal for the Corvette Action Center has always been to simply be able to pay its own operational costs and be a source of help and information to Corvette owners and enthusiasts. If it produces more than that, great.

The Corvette Action Center started out as a small five page web site for a class project. The entire five pages literally fit on a floppy disk, used frames, and was just plain butt-ugly. That disk was handed in as my class final. The class instructor loved it and I decided to run with it and see where I could go with it.

Is the Corvette Action Center for sale? Regardless of a couple rumors I've heard floating around the last six months, the answer is "no." I suppose everyone has their price, but the Corvette Action Center, like a lot of other things I've worked for, has taken MAJOR blood, sweat and tears to build and operate over the years. It is a huge part of me as I am a part of it.

When I hear all the positive feedback I receive from site visitors, members and General Motors Engineers that I run into at major Corvette events every year, all the hard work and effort has been worth it.

What's coming down the pipeline for the CAC? I am in the process of working on a major addition to the site. I also have a TON and I do mean a TON of new technical info to add to various portions of the site. I'm trying to work on it as much as I can. I do have a couple other projects in a planning and development stage right now. These won't come to fruition until the spring or summer of next year, so stay tuned!

As always, if you have questions or concerns about the forums, the Administration or any other part of the site, I encourage you to contact me either here on the forums or privately.

Scottsredvette
09-04-07, 01:26 PM
When I first bought my Vette, I tried a couple of those other sites. Didn't take long to figure out I didn't "fit in" with them. Patrick suggested that I try the CAC and yes, this is home. Rob, don't change the way you and/or the admins/moderators run the CAC.

Scott

Red Vette
09-04-07, 02:08 PM
Rob, I agree with Scott, don't change the CAC unless it will enchance it. I too looked at the other corvette sites, didn't like many of the posts (but there is great info in many of them), and then found CAC. Then I discovered the Supporting Membership link, and immediately became a Supporting Member. The information I've gotten from the posts, to quote Master Card, is priceless because the members know and truly want to help. I found that I trust their recommendations. The highlight of my year + membership was Cruise Fest in Colorado. Got to meet some truly fine people who are friendly and helpful. Now that I have met some CACers personally, I feel at home. I wish I could help others more than I do, but I only comment on posts that I can be of benefit. I was fortunate to meet you at the blender wars room, and was appreciative of the insight you gave me on the CAC. You explained it exactly like your post. And taking your suggestion, I try to thank the CACers, through a follow-up post, who have helped me with a problem.

I am like many CACers, I love Corvettes, period. 45+ years with a Corvette and I think of them all the time. The CAC enhances this feeling. Prior to the Internet in the 60s and 70s, I found the Corvette Clubs were the best thing going (yesterday just found my 1962 St Louis Corvette Club aerial flag, faded but safely tucked away). Some Corvette Club have helpful members, some spiteful members, but all in all, a good gang of people. I am sure that many of them are members of CAC.

You have a great bunch of moderators, administrators, etc. Getting to meet some of them at Cruise Fest 07 was terrific and hopefully I'll meet more next year in Cleveland. I appreciate what you and the other administrators are doing with the site, and I look forward everyday to connecting to the CAC.

I know this is a long winded post and may seem "mushy" to others, but I just want to tell you again how much I appreciate what you have started and have achieved in such a short time.

I am sure that Scott and Claudia echo my sentiments.

Barrett

bradfordsvettes
09-04-07, 09:47 PM
rob this is the best site around bar none.:beer Most of the people go out of there way to make all members old or new feel at home which it is for a lot of us just my 2 cents Steve :w

GerryLP
09-04-07, 10:02 PM
Rob,

I do thank you for sharing the vision you have for CAC and members. And I do appreciate the fact that you know the true value of our entire community within these web pages is greater than the monetary value an assessor would adjust on a piece of Virtual Realty.

The only wish I have is to see you soon attend a Cruise Fest gathering in your own Vette...;LOL:rotfl ...I mean...I mean...:ugh

Seriously, thanks for the words and sense of direction, Rob. :beer

Rob
09-05-07, 12:00 AM
Rob,

I do thank you for sharing the vision you have for CAC and members. And I do appreciate the fact that you know the true value of our entire community within these web pages is greater than the monetary value an assessor would adjust on a piece of Virtual Realty.

The only wish I have is to see you soon attend a Cruise Fest gathering in your own Vette...;LOL:rotfl ...I mean...I mean...:ugh

Seriously, thanks for the words and sense of direction, Rob. :beer
wow....harsh...just harsh. I know nobody will believe me, but...I had the ZR out all weekend long - driving up the coast of NH into Maine. It was 75 degree, not a cloud in the sky, roof panel off...and just perfect.

It's amazing how much those Franklin Mint models will move on smooth pavement! :chuckle

LT4man
09-05-07, 01:07 AM
Rob,

Thanks for such an articulate explanation of how you see CAC and where CAC is headed to in the future.

The info I have learned here is (in the words of Barrett) PRICELESS!

Thank you for your time and talent.

SAVE THE :w

bill81vette
09-05-07, 03:09 PM
Thanks for the insight Rob,love the site the way it is !!!!!!!:upthumbs:upthumbs

Edmond
09-05-07, 10:12 PM
Thanks for the insight, Rob. I thought that maybe my computer was hijacked when I started seen those ads on CF. When I realized that it was happening with every thread, my first thought was that I hope that it would never happen here and the reason why it happened there was probably because of the new ownership.

I've been a member here for a few years now. I've met and talked to some of the finest people on earth. Where else could you just have someone you know online call you up, ask you to check out a car and end up spending thousands of dollars on that car because of your input? :D

There's a reason why I've been here for so long. It's a great site.

ScottNoxid
09-05-07, 10:38 PM
Hey Rob, I love this motto, and was really said by one of our great American hero's. I can see this is where you are at, and god bless you for it. I am new to this way of living, but I am loving every minute of it. You not only have a forum, but a community of the most unselfish people I have seen in a long time which brings me to another motto, if its not broke, don't fix it. What ever you are doing you are doing it right, and I am glad to be aboard. Scott:beer

ROCKETBLOCK
09-06-07, 11:19 AM
Rob, IMHO you got it right at CAC! I was put onto another Corvette Website by a friend several years ago. It just didn't do it for me.... and, then I discovered CAC. Been here ever since. Thanks for a great Corvette Website.

Rocket

Pseudomind
09-06-07, 11:31 AM
Rob, IMHO you got it right at CAC! I was put onto another Corvette Website by a friend several years ago. It just didn't do it for me.... and, then I discovered CAC. Been here ever since. Thanks for a great Corvette Website.

Rocket

Ditto to what he said! :upthumbs

And yes I have and I am also a member of most of fthese other Corvette sites, but which do I prefer?

Enough hints

aqua93
09-06-07, 12:29 PM
Rob -
Just wanted to add my thoughts to the above posts. I also tried out several other forums before joining CAC. Each of those had their own 'personality', probably obtained by what the administrators allowed to be posted. For my own preferences, and, as is evident by comments of so many of the other CAC members, I chose CAC because of the way you are administering it.
Thanks for keeping us updated regarding CAC. You don't get thanked enough for your efforts. You should be proud of what you have accomplished so far.

RodsnRides
09-06-07, 12:39 PM
I'm with the previous posters. Rob, you have done a great job, and you have a top staff of Mods and Admins.:upthumbs

I, too, checked out the other sites and forums, and was not impressed. Then I found CAC. Adult, fun, honest, sincere, helpful. CAC rocks!:_rock

Like the others have said, don't change your vision. And, thank you for sharing these thoughts with us. We do care. Congratulations on your success, and be proud of your great efforts.

Rick
:gap

Tuna
09-06-07, 02:03 PM
CAC and Rob get my vote also. This is the place to be in the Corvette hobby for me.

Thanks Rob!

Bonnell
09-06-07, 02:49 PM
I joined this site when I purchased my second vette. Since then I have been a member here and on CF.

I do not agree with the new advertising on the CF. I fully agree that they have the right to do as they please. I have the right to vote with my feet.

This year I will become a supporting member on the CAC and I'll put my money where my mouth is.

This is a great site. Thanks for your continued hard work Rob.:beer

Topless_Ruby
09-07-07, 10:45 AM
I agree with the previous posts.
Rob this is by far the best and most informative site around.
I am signed up on several of those "other" sites, and I always come back to the CAC.
Keep up the good work!
:CAC

John Robinson
09-08-07, 12:45 PM
Rob like the others I looked into the other sites. When I first started to post in those sites for help I became jaded with the sarcasm and useless banter. When I came to CAC I found a site with knowledgeable enthusiast who were willing to help no matter how silly my questions might be. Here every body's input is welcomed and accepted for what it is a genuine desire to be helpful to someone with a problem. As others have said if it isn't broke don't fix it. Keep your vision Rob it is spot on for this forum.

roxeye1
09-09-07, 02:23 PM
Rob, I've owned my 2k vert for 4 years now and have had multiple, annoying problems with it. I've often thought about selling the vehicle and removing the stressors from my life. But I LOVE the car - even as-is. I'm not in a possition to take my car into the dealer and pay whatever the cost for every little nuisance that occurs. I would not only rather LEARN more about my car, but also to be able to pass on that knowledge to those who need it. About a month ago I became a CAC member and I wish I would have been aware of this site the day I bought my car. I've found answers to my questions and threads that have made it FUN to own my car again! I don't know anything about these other sites you've mentioned, but as of now I can only thank you and all the contributing members for a job WELL done! Selling-out could prove to be a detriment to the quality of info offered here. Please don't ever jeopardize that! THANKS!

Hib Halverson
09-09-07, 02:44 PM
Rob---I've supported you almost from Day One and, after reading your post--sort of a cross between a mission statement and an editorial---I know why I'll continue to make the CAC my Corvette Internet home.

Yeah, I have a very limted presence occassionally on the CF but it's not that important to me.

Digital Corvettes?
Not even.
Anyone with crediblity and some character will not endorse that forum.

Keep up the good work, boss.

catbert
09-11-07, 10:04 AM
I belong to several forums too, and they all have their own personalities that attract a certain kind of member. CAC is the one for "normal" people. The others - maybe not so much. Warning! I use the ME model for normal, so make your own conclusions.

robert64
09-11-07, 10:56 AM
Thank you for the insight and info. What an eyeopener for me. I joined one other forum and actually was quite shocked by some of the verbal exchanges going on. I will become a supporting member today. Keep up the tremendous job that you are doing. Regards, Bob

Jack Martin
09-11-07, 11:00 AM
Well said. Thanks for all your hard work with this site. It is SIMPLY THE BEST.

6 Shooter
09-11-07, 01:29 PM
YEP - The only thing constant is change...

L8TR - D

dennym
09-11-07, 02:10 PM
To say I don't post much would be an understatement ... but since I found CAC some time ago, I regularly check the techcenter, model center, and knowledgebase when I want specific information, and I am forever referring folks from "other Corvette forums" to CAC for information ...
Thanks for what you do ... I'll check out the supporting membership link and see if I can pony up a bit for you to continue ... mebbe if enough do you can quit your day job!:upthumbs
DennyM (same on Z06 Forum)
MungoZ06 on CF

JoeyNigs
09-11-07, 02:11 PM
Fantastic site with great people...One of the best !:beer

billyz06-2003
09-11-07, 02:27 PM
Rob. I think you are doing a good job with the cac. yes i visit the orther sites but the cac is the only one i support, thanks:):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):):)Billy

Jimbad
09-11-07, 04:10 PM
Well-spoken. Keep doing the CAC your way.
Regards,
Jim

darkstar
09-13-07, 02:05 AM
rob as a new member I have never seen such commitent to a forum as you seem to put in this fine one as it is. I commend you for a job well done and hope you keep up the good stuff. Godspeed my friend

jmckeer82
09-16-07, 11:26 AM
As always move forward, I find CAC the best place to use/ find info needed! Regards j Mckee, 81 and 99

darkstar
09-16-07, 06:31 PM
Rob: Although new to CAC I quickly realized its purpose in my eyes. To accurately inform, to allow others to get informed and to let us know when our infromation is not right (otherwise help) I certainly appreciate your devotion and readily agree that there must be some guidelines (rules) otherwise chaos.Thanks for letting me be a part of CAC!!!

korvettekarl
09-18-07, 02:03 PM
Honesty, integrity. Thank goodness there is a place on the web(or anywhere else for that matter) that still values those over $. Still the best Vette site with the most honest and friendly members on the planet. Keep up the GREAT work Rob.

jmckeer82
09-18-07, 07:16 PM
Always loved the 93' Ruby reds. Sweet ride. Save the wave! Regards, J, McKee

c4c5specialist
09-20-07, 06:27 AM
HI there,
While I can relate to alot of what was said here, the facts hold true.
Internet is big business.
Facts are sometimes in short supply for the sake of other things.
I, personally, got my start here a long time ago, and for that I will always be greatful.
Allthebest, c4c5

hzl6cm
09-28-07, 09:18 AM
Rob,

Great job running the site. I don't suggest that you change anything. There is definitely too much BS out there on some of the other sites - probably one of the reasons that I never registered for the CF.

67vet
09-30-07, 10:14 PM
Rob, I belong to the Honda Ridgeline forum and Mercedes SL550 forum. The CAC is by far the nicest of the three. Keep it the way it is. Thanks.

Curtis
09-30-07, 10:51 PM
Hey Rob,, even though you have changed a couple of my words in posts, I think CAC is a fantastic web site. thank you letting me share in it. When I get a job again, I'll sure be happy to contribute to the site funding again..

Rob
10-01-07, 12:15 AM
Hey Rob,, even though you have changed a couple of my words in posts, I think CAC is a fantastic web site. thank you letting me share in it. When I get a job again, I'll sure be happy to contribute to the site funding again..I have? :ohnoes

Honestly, I can't remember the last time I ever edited someone's post unless it was someone that joined the forums and it was someone who joined just to spam their business.

CTYANK2
10-02-07, 09:56 AM
The best part of the CAC is that is full of Corvette information and low on the"bull". I spend more time on the CF but I think a lot of that time is spent wandering through the "junk" to get to the facts. Sometimes the "junk" is fun (yes, I occasionally add to the "junk") but most of the time it's just a hinderance to the information I'm seeking. There are less posts here but I know when I come to the CAC I will quickly get to quality Corvette information I seek. :cool

Scott Winebarger
10-02-07, 06:22 PM
Keep up the good work Rob. All one has to do is spend some time at the other forums to really appreciate this one.

Don't change a thing!

abowtieguy
10-08-07, 08:51 PM
Thanks Rob for all you and your addmin. do hear. This is a great place to hang out and full of quality info and people. :beer

killain
11-21-07, 12:35 PM
Rob, I think you and your team are doing a wonderful job with this site. I have been a member at CF since Aug 1999, it's begining, and sadly I have noticed a rather nasty flavor in some of the members and their posts across the board and in many of the rooms. Ridiculing someone for a question or area of intrest is not productive in any form or fashion. I am very appreciative to the members here and the moderators for their oversite of posting and the threads that follow. That oversite has kept this a very friendly site for corvette fans worldwide. Thank you for your leadership and you'll soon receive my check for support of the sites upkeep.

Rob
11-23-07, 09:46 AM
Rob, I think you and your team are doing a wonderful job with this site. I have been a member at CF since Aug 1999, it's begining, and sadly I have noticed a rather nasty flavor in some of the members and their posts across the board and in many of the rooms. Ridiculing someone for a question or area of intrest is not productive in any form or fashion. I am very appreciative to the members here and the moderators for their oversite of posting and the threads that follow. That oversite has kept this a very friendly site for corvette fans worldwide. Thank you for your leadership and you'll soon receive my check for support of the sites upkeep.
Thank you Killain!

-Rob

Toms007
01-08-08, 10:28 PM
Somehow I missed this thread....I don't know where I've been. Anyway, I think that this is by far the BEST Corvette site. It may not have as much traffic in the C4 section as CF, but the whole attitude here is different. I am comfortable here. I can kick off my shoes and relax (so to speak). I do not visit CF as much since the change and Like Hib said earlier in this thread, DC is just the pits.

Rob and all here, I want you all to know that I am a supporting member of one Corvette site. I have met some really great people here (and in person) and wouldn't trade that for anything. I hope that you can keep CAC as it is for a long time. Thanks.

Rob
01-08-08, 11:00 PM
Somehow I missed this thread....I don't know where I've been. Anyway, I think that this is by far the BEST Corvette site. It may not have as much traffic in the C4 section as CF, but the whole attitude here is different. I am comfortable here. I can kick off my shoes and relax (so to speak). I do not visit CF as much since the change and Like Hib said earlier in this thread, DC is just the pits.

Rob and all here, I want you all to know that I am a supporting member of one Corvette site. I have met some really great people here (and in person) and wouldn't trade that for anything. I hope that you can keep CAC as it is for a long time. Thanks.

Thanks Tom, and yes, I do intend on keeping the CAC as it is for a long time. :)

Vettepirate
01-08-08, 11:16 PM
It did not take me long to realise CAC was the best place around, just because it does happen to be on of the smaller websites out of the ones i've seen so far.

I always thought CF was way overloaded and needed far too much digging for the info you were trying to find. Seems a lot of folks on there didn't own a Vette at all. I've also found far more useful info here than anywhere else.

NORTY
09-15-08, 01:24 PM
I like this site. It has good info. I try to contribute when I have something to contribute. CF is too childish and DC is too vulgar (see "childish" also.) I can't figure out why there are 127 members (and 652 guests lurking) currently and there is so little traffic on the C6 depts. They must be somewhere on here, maybe I'll try some of the social areas in this forum.

Pseudomind
09-15-08, 02:29 PM
Yes this was good site, and might still be?? I think I and a few others moved on...I come back sometimes.. If I had to sum it up in two words I would use over-zealousness by some is why I basically quite coming. Too restrictive, of course that is my reason.

Plus I sold my Z06, kept the roadster, picked up a new item 2002 Sea Ray 380 Sundancer (see Avatar)

Bonnell
09-15-08, 03:42 PM
I like this site. It has good info. I try to contribute when I have something to contribute. CF is too childish and DC is too vulgar (see "childish" also.) I can't figure out why there are 127 members (and 652 guests lurking) currently and there is so little traffic on the C6 depts. They must be somewhere on here, maybe I'll try some of the social areas in this forum.

I agree Norty, I would like to see more activity. Ok then you and I will post more!:D I can't really help anyone with anything other than my own experience since I am no mechanic nor am I experienced at pushing the vette to it's limits.

But I can (and do) post based on my opinions and experiences.

Rob this is a great site. This is the only site where I will be a supporting member.:thumb

killain
09-15-08, 09:19 PM
I agree Norty, I would like to see more activity. Ok then you and I will post more!:D I can't really help anyone with anything other than my own experience since I am no mechanic nor am I experienced at pushing the vette to it's limits.

But I can (and do) post based on my opinions and experiences.

Rob this is a great site. This is the only site where I will be a supporting member.:thumb

I joined CF way back in 1999. Back then it was small, run and owned by a corvette owner and the subject matter was well, Corvettes and most everyone was courteous and helpful when it came to someone new to corvettes. But after five years I started seeing a change, the posts were rude and hostile. One ex-GM corvette engineer was a member, but finally got tired and left as did many ,many others who'd been members, their here now. The people who posted were the kind who didn't give out any details like where they lived or who they were, what kind of corvette they owned, nothing to give any idea of their sincerity and they soon became 'trolls' who'd start a fight here and there many times over, then duck out and resurface with a new user name and IPO. And to this day it has gotten worse. Just like DC the vulgar and ridiculous posters continue to grow without any rules or guidelines that are to be followed. As a result of my expierence at CF I sought out this site and I can say this is a VERY well run corvette website. Thanks Rob for your guidance ! :)

Edmond
09-15-08, 10:08 PM
Not to rag on any site but it really peeves me when there's an advertisement in the first post.:ugh

Jack Martin
09-16-08, 07:21 AM
Thanks Rob. I appreciate all your hard work and dedication to this site. It is simply the best.

Rob
09-16-08, 08:06 AM
Rob this is a great site. This is the only site where I will be a supporting member.:thumbThank you Bonnell!

And thank you all for your kind words. I'm glad that you continue to make the CAC your home away from home. :)

korvettekarl
09-16-08, 08:51 AM
This is still the friendliest amd most knowlegeable Corvette site around. Keep up the good work Rob.

o2bnkc
09-16-08, 11:42 PM
I hate this site! It's like an addiction. Be back tomorrow. ;help:L

Bonnell
09-17-08, 08:28 AM
Ok Outwest, you form the CAC Anonymous group and I will be the first new member.;LOL

Hi, I'm J and I am a CAC-Aholic.

Evolution1980
09-17-08, 02:16 PM
Ditto to what he said! :upthumbs

And yes I have and I am also a member of most of fthese other Corvette sites, but which do I prefer?

Enough hints


Yes this was good site, and might still be?? I think I and a few others moved on...I come back sometimes.. If I had to sum it up in two words I would use over-zealousness by some is why I basically quite coming. Too restrictive, of course that is my reason.

Plus I sold my Z06, kept the roadster, picked up a new item 2002 Sea Ray 380 Sundancer (see Avatar)
...So did this overzealousness of one person or group of people become an issue in the past year? Was this overzealousness less than what you find at the other sites? Was it staff or other users that you speak of? Did you bring it to Rob's attention or the attention of any other staffers as suggested by Rob in his initial post?

We try to please everyone, but...well...ya just can't always do that... :)

catbert
09-17-08, 04:28 PM
...So did this overzealousness of one person or group of people become an issue in the past year? Was this overzealousness less than what you find at the other sites? Was it staff or other users that you speak of? Did you bring it to Rob's attention or the attention of any other staffers as suggested by Rob in his initial post?

We try to please everyone, but...well...ya just can't always do that... :)


I'm curious too. I've seen a lot of stupid poopy on forums, but none here. What's up pseudo? Thought maybe I'd see you again in BG next Spring.:upthumbs

killain
09-18-08, 07:06 AM
I'm curious too. I've seen a lot of stupid poopy on forums, but none here. What's up pseudo? Though maybe I'd see you again in BG next Spring.:upthumbs

I'm with you ! I can't say I've seen any troublemakers here at all. If you not satisfied here, Why? You can't tell me that any other site is superior to CAC, can you? If so Why?:bash