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Rob
10-17-06, 07:28 AM
<div align="center"><img src="/images/design/front/kappa.jpg" width="430" height="200" border="1" alt="" /></div>

In February 2006, Motor Trend published a short article about the Corvette Sting Ray coming back as a V6 powered version of the Kappa platform.

They wrote:



GM is seriously considering building a V-6 version of its Kappa sports car (aka Pontiac Solstice and Saturn Sky). But the scuttlebutt around Motown is that this version would get an all-new body, a Chevy badge, and one of the most iconic names in the GM sports-car pantheon--Sting Ray. It would be positioned as a muscular, entry-level Chevy sports car priced under the current Corvette range, but above the higher-end Pontiac and Saturn models. Given the enduring success of the Corvette, the Sting Ray plan seems plausible--and profitable.

Full Article: http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0602_chevrolet_kappa_sting_ray/index.html

The rumors are once again getting much stronger!

What are your thoughts on this? Should the Corvette remain V8 powered only, or would a V6 version be ok since the Corvette started out with a V6 back in 1953?

grapeknutz
10-17-06, 07:33 AM
Undecided!!! now if they turbocharge the engine that might be interesting!

6 Shooter
10-17-06, 08:11 AM
I guess ya gotta do what ya gotta do to survive these days in a global market.

DRTH VTR
10-17-06, 08:24 AM
The Corvette has been a front engined, rear wheel drive, two seat, V8 powered car since 1955. It is a formula that has worked for 50+ years. I just see no reason to mess with success.

Pseudomind
10-17-06, 08:50 AM
The Corvette has been a front engined, rear wheel drive, two seat, V8 powered car since 1955. It is a formula that has worked for 50+ years. I just see no reason to mess with success.

Without the V8, the rear-wheel drive, well it just ain't a Corvette, but a wanna-be. :puke

Tuna
10-17-06, 08:56 AM
Rob, don't you mean L6 back in '53?

I'm not sure that adding an entry level sports car to the Chevy line is a good idea especially if they call it any name that has Corvette tie-in. If GM wants Chevy to have an mid range sports car, at least they out to pick a totally new name for it that can not be mistaken for anything Corvette.

Dirtfarmer
10-17-06, 10:14 AM
I guess ya gotta do what ya gotta do to survive these days in a global market.


It will be interesting to see what lengths GM will be willing to go to to survive. If they think a V6 Corvette will help, then that is going in a different direction than in the past. I don't know if the tried and true practices of GM will help them to survive much longer.

There has been talk about adding a "bowtie" to the Corvette to raise consumer's brand awareness. "GM may now wish to associate the Corvette more closely with Chevy in an effort to improve consumer perception of the brand."

What if this V6 is the first step in a Corvette "line"? The current Corvette would be the flagship model, the V6 would be a smaller, more affordable model. The Corvette line would be similar to Cadillac, an upscale line for GM targeted at a more mature demographic, all carrying the Corvette badge.

This of course would open the gates for the Corvette Sport Utility and the Corvette Wagon. ;)

B17Crew
10-17-06, 10:15 AM
I voted no, but what I really wanted to vote was
HE@# NO!

B17Crew
:w

Erik S. Klein
10-17-06, 10:15 AM
Chevy can make whatever sports car they want, but if it's not a RWD V8 with a plastic body then it's not a Corvette.

Scott Winebarger
10-17-06, 10:19 AM
Yep , figures ! :mad Just when they get it right.:nono This almost makes me sick to my stomach. Remember the 76 Mustang with the 4 cylinder engine :ugh . Right then and there I decided I would never own another Mustang.
If Corvette does this, they have lost a sale with me. Can you imagine driving up in your new Vette and someone asking you if it has the V8 or the 6. :cry

OK here it is in a nutshell,

whoever came up with this idea>>> :grinshot :r

Go buy yourself a Yugo or a Kia , you are not worthy to even talk to the Corvette owners. Turn your head in shame!

GM has bankrupt the company with all the other cars including their silly "Isuzu" Duramax diesel truck and now the want to ruin the only thing they have thats worth buying. Whats next , the Corvette mini van?
Someone needs to step back and take along look at whos making decisions.

Corvette has always be a step above all the others, go ahead Chevrolet and drop the name down with the others and soon all Vettes sales will die out. The people that buy these cars we love will no longer shell out the bucks .. The Viper people are going to love this one.

Guy
10-17-06, 10:30 AM
Call it a Fiero. ;LOL

What am I saying? I LIKED my little Fiero, but don't mess with the Vette!!!

:w
Guy

DRTH VTR
10-17-06, 10:31 AM
Yep , figures ! :mad Just when they get it right.:nono This almost makes me sick to my stomach. Remember the 76 Mustang with the 4 cylinder engine :ugh . Right then and there I decided I would never own another Mustang.
If Corvette does this, they have lost a sale with me. Can you imagine driving up in your new Vette and someone asking you if it has the V8 or the 6. :cry

OK here it is in a nutshell,

whoever came up with this idea>>> :grinshot :r

Go buy yourself a Yugo or a Kia , you are not worthy to even talk to the Corvette owners. Turn your head in shame!

GM has bankrupt the company with all the other cars including their silly "Isuzu" Duramax diesel truck and now the want to ruin the only thing they have thats worth buying. Whats next , the Corvette mini van?
Someone needs to step back and take along look at whos making decisions.

Don't hold back, now. Tell us what you really think! :L

Argent C5
10-17-06, 10:34 AM
Sting Ray?

They should call it the Flounder because that's what GM's doing.....................

Scott Winebarger
10-17-06, 10:35 AM
Don't hold back, now. Tell us what you really think! :L
I had to walk outside after reading this thread . :mad

I am through now, I was about to make a road trip and go postal on some GM azz.

jhecox
10-17-06, 11:32 AM
With a 240hp V6, 6-speed, RWD this little "Chevy Solstice" would make an interesting car. Put a turbo on it and boost it up to 300hp and it would be VERY fun to drive.

But IT'S NOT A CORVETTE! It should not be referenced in the same category. They are two completely different platforms. So keep the naming separate.

MHO

74bigblock
10-17-06, 12:00 PM
No V8 = No StingRay or Sting Ray

I say they elevate the current Corvette to StingRay status, and demote the proposed ankle biter to a Corvair status.

82ColEd
10-17-06, 12:05 PM
I had the option to buy a 6 Cylinder "Vette".. The Opel GT.. We called it the Poor Mans Corvette.. And chose not to. It's not the same. I like my Vette because it has a SB V8 in it.

:(

Trisha
10-17-06, 12:52 PM
In my opinion, the "Sting Ray" say's Corvette!! We love our '06 CORVETTE and since what they are planning is NOT a Corvette, why try to fool the public by calling it by a Corvette name!? We are a unique breed! If they want to bring back the name "StingRay" it ought to be on a legitimate Corvette!

GerryLP
10-17-06, 01:29 PM
For two reasons:

1) I saw a small engine in The Unser Museum (http://www.unserracingmuseum.com/) smaller than my daughter's 22RE Toyota engine making 740 HP.

2) If the option were to be a V10, would the majority also object?;shrug

GerryLP:cool

RodsnRides
10-17-06, 01:38 PM
Rob, don't you mean L6 back in '53?

I'm not sure that adding an entry level sports car to the Chevy line is a good idea especially if they call it any name that has Corvette tie-in. If GM wants Chevy to have an mid range sports car, at least they out to pick a totally new name for it that can not be mistaken for anything Corvette.

I think he did mean that-the L6 is an inline engine.

I have to agree here. I think names like "Stingray", "Sting Ray" or "Mako Shark" should be reserved for special edition Corvettes.

I am not opposed to "Corvair", or even "Nova". "Chevelle", IMHO, would be inappropriate, but I guess I could accept it. The Nova and Corvair models were meant to be economical cars and could be optioned to be somewhat "sporty", which I think this offering is.

Dwayne (6 shooter) is correct as well-it is a global economy, and sometimes you just have to do what you can to survive. But, tying THIS car, based on a separate platform, likely built at a separate plant, should not borrow anything from the Corvette-except maybe tires and brakes.

Rick
:gap

Scott Winebarger
10-17-06, 01:38 PM
For two reasons:

1) I saw a small engine in The Unser Museum (http://www.unserracingmuseum.com/) smaller than my daughter's 22RE Toyota engine making 740 HP.

2) If the option were to be a V10, would the majority also object?;shrug

GerryLP:cool

Yes! Leave it alone! This isn't a ricer and its not a Viper.

JoeMackin
10-17-06, 01:39 PM
Yes, I think there is a market for this vehicle. Yes, I think it will be a profitable program. Yes, I think it will attract allot of ricers. More than anything it will be a deeply customizable car. I think Chevy has come up with a vehicle that could easily kill the Scion market. If the cost is a Corvette name, then that’s the cost. I even think putting the bowtie on it is a good idea. My greatest suggestion though would be to keep the bowtie off the Corvette as a distinguishing feature.

AIRBUS
10-17-06, 02:20 PM
With a 240hp V6, 6-speed, RWD this little "Chevy Solstice" would make an interesting car. Put a turbo on it and boost it up to 300hp and it would be VERY fun to drive.

But IT'S NOT A CORVETTE! It should not be referenced in the same category. They are two completely different platforms. So keep the naming separate.

MHO

AyyyyyyyMAN, Bruhvuh !!

WhiteKnight
10-17-06, 02:54 PM
A move like this does not make sense for GM.. maybe for Chevy. They already sell the platform as a Pontiac and a Saturn. They need to stop competing with themselves. They were late to the party with the retro econo utility (HHR) and killed the Camaro for the SSR. Now they drag thier feet getting a retroish Camaro to compete with the retro Mustang.

They only thing the were on the ball with was launching the re-styled trucks before the new Toyota's due next year.

silver98
10-17-06, 03:36 PM
Rob, don't you mean L6 back in '53?

I'm not sure that adding an entry level sports car to the Chevy line is a good idea especially if they call it any name that has Corvette tie-in. If GM wants Chevy to have an mid range sports car, at least they out to pick a totally new name for it that can not be mistaken for anything Corvette.

I thought that was what the new Camaro was for!!

AIRBUS
10-17-06, 04:49 PM
Couple of things occur to me:

1) Desparate times call for desparate measures. If GM goes down the "tcherlit", so goes the Vette.

2) With a pseudo Sting Ray out there, how much would the value of the real McCoy be enhanced? Would it help or hinder?

warren s
10-17-06, 07:24 PM
NO –

GM should spend the money and do the R&D work on improving the quality of the current line up, when the roofs of C6s come apart and need to be recalled, GM could really put the effort in some place else instead of watering down the Corvette line up. (one of their few perennial successfully selling cars.)

KANE
10-17-06, 08:54 PM
The Corvette has been a front engined, rear wheel drive, two seat, V8 powered car since 1955. It is a formula that has worked for 50+ years. I just see no reason to mess with success.

I agree- to a point.

The Vette has always been at the forefront of innovation. If they can build a fire-breathing V6... and it keeps the car in production... then by all means- LONG LIVE THE VETTE!

Besides, even the 3800 series churns out more power than the L48s of the seventies!

ROCKYQ
10-17-06, 09:36 PM
THIS IS REDICULOUS, YOU DO NOT MESS WITH A LEGION, I WOULD BE INBARRASSED TO DRIVE IT, THAT WOULD BE LIKE BUYING AN 8-PACK OF BEER AND ONLY GETTING 6. HOPEFULLY IT'S NOT TRUE. "SAVE THE LEGION" AND "SAVE THE WAVE"

C/O ROCKYQ
CHECKERED FLAG CORVETTE CLUB
ANNAPOLIS MD.

Brett
10-17-06, 09:41 PM
I don't think the article is saying it will be a Corvette at all. Just a lower entry sports car. A completely different automobile.

Scott Winebarger
10-17-06, 09:45 PM
In February 2006, Motor Trend published a short article about the Corvette Sting Ray coming back as a V6 powered version of the Kappa platform.

GerryLP
10-17-06, 09:58 PM
For years I grew confused about the Stingray and Sting Ray badges. For a while (in my youth) I thought that Stingray or Sting Ray was some special package or option. That is really what it implied. Not just a Corvette, but a Stingray or Sting Ray special model or option. Not unlike we now regard the Z06's.

However, that could not be further from the truth. They were just Corvettes slapped with an additional badge thanks to the GM's marketing department. No special features were available under the Stingray or Sting Ray badge. The special package was just a series of RPO's that equipped a particular Vette in a particular year that were open to any buyer.

So after all, a Corvette is a Corvette. In the evolutionary road of old muscle cars that were redesigned (i.e. The Nova [in the sub-compact direction] or the Chevelle/Monte Carlo [in the opposite direction]), the marketing strategies abounded.

So fear not, nor fret!:nono The Stingray or Sting Ray badge has been missing for over 15 years, and just as its disappearance took nothing away from the subsequent Corvette generations, its re-packaged emergence will not obscure nor sunset the Corvette name.

GerryLP:cool

black_81_vette
10-17-06, 10:37 PM
Actually I think the corvair name would be a good ideal ! Corvairs are good little cars that handle well and were economical and the proposed car would slot in well in that market.Truthfully it could compete with the miata and others in that group.And im like the rest of you sting ray belongs on the new super vette!

stu
10-17-06, 11:12 PM
The only way I could see a 6-cyl Vette is if they could get it to out perform Z06. Of course if they managed to do that it would have to cost more and would defeat the purpose of coming out with an affordable, fun car for the masses that could bring up sales.

Something I noticed about marketing and name recognition, I can say I drive a Vette and it means something. It doesn't matter that she's not a C6 or a classic. Looking at it, Mustang owners have the same thing, no one cares which one it is, only that she is.

With a Camero everyone always has to say Z28, IROC, or SS. A Trans-Am is a Trans-Am, not a Firebird. With the rice rockets, it would be Civic, and then you get to hear about the list of parts that make it more than just a Civic.

Using the Sting Ray name would be a mistake. The car would always be in the shadow of the cars of the past, and they would never get the effect they want. If they did it and someone says they have a Sting Ray, people would ask what year and when the response is something from the 2000's the moment would be lost.

If they really want to do something with the kappa I'd say call it a Monza.

354RwHpLT4CE
10-18-06, 05:15 AM
Call it what it is....a Chevette.

vett boy
10-18-06, 05:16 AM
Cheapens the market.Another bad thought from GM.

SPANISHVETTS
10-18-06, 06:13 AM
After GM re-badged all of the Daewoos in <st1:place>Europe</st1:place> with the Bowtie and told the owners that they now own a Chevrolet I gave up all ability to be surprised, amazed or disgusted by the General. What marketing genius – stick a crap product under a logo with a crap reputation and tell customers that were too cheap to buy a real car that they now own a Chevrolet.
<o:p> </o:p>
If the GM bean counters think that they can make a short term buck by whoring a Corvette logo then that logo will be on the street corner in the blink of an eye. They couldn’t care less what we think about it.
<o:p> </o:p>
I am eagerly awaiting the arrival of the Matiz Grand Sport.:eyerole
http://www.chevrolet.es/images/global/model/matiz-2006-gallery-exterior-01.jpg



Who steals my purse steals trash;
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him
And makes me poor indeed.
Othello, 3. 3<o:p></o:p>

Rob
10-18-06, 06:43 AM
I'm going to write a larger commentary on this in the Wheelspin column (which I seriously need to blow the dust off of...) a little later, but I'll just say this for now:

I'm kind of split down the middle on this issue. On the one hand, my first reaction is to say, "no way!" The Corvette should remain V8 powered only or possibly look at more powerful engine combinations like V10 and V12 engines (like Ferrari).

On the other hand, Porsche has been extremely successful with a V6, and they've done a hell of a job extracting a lot of power out of a small engine.

More on this as well as brand marketing and awareness as it relates to the bow-tie emblem, later.

1KULC7
10-18-06, 07:57 AM
They already produce the SKY and Solstrice (sp), why bother? I would rather see them sell a Corvette with less options (no power windows, door locks, power mirrors etc.) keeping the V8 then downgrade to the six.

It would be just like Chevy to get rid of the V8 eventually, and just put in the V6's.... this could be the way the phase out the V8....

Why don't they built that concept car the "SS" they showed several years ago and put the V6 in that???? Or better yet, why don't they build a V6 Monte Carlo Convertible with the V6, but why the Corvette? Makes no sense...

Tuna
10-18-06, 08:58 AM
How about a 2.4 liter Cosworth F1 V8 in the new car?

The F1 race this weekend will be the swan song for the Cosworth engine in F1 as no one bought them for next year.

Might be fun - a Saturn Sky with a Cosworth 2.4 V8 and 7-speed paddle shift trans and a Chevy gold bow-tie on the front. Hummmmm.

Eric
10-18-06, 09:03 AM
So fear not, nor fret!:nono The Stingray or Sting Ray badge has been missing for over 15 years, and just as its disappearance took nothing away from the subsequent Corvette generations, its re-packaged emergence will not obscure nor sunset the Corvette name.

GerryLP:cool
I agree with Gerry. If it brings people into a showroom and gives an appreciation of Chevys to someone who once had none, I'm for it. The market is way too important to rest on the laurels of a name that has been gone since 76.

And besides, there are those in the Corvette community who still insist that the only "real" Corvettes were built in St. Louis, and still others who say a "real" Corvette hasn't been built since 67, and yet others even go so far as to think that solid axles are the only "real" ones.

With just a few mods, that thing will be running circles around a lot of Corvettes.

Evolution1980
10-18-06, 11:10 AM
Settle down, people! Did anyone read the full article? Did anyone read it carefully (besides maybe GerryLP)?

They are not looking to call this a Corvette. There's never a mention of calling it a Corvette. They make references to the the vette in terms of it being a high-spec car, competing with comparably equipped and priced Bimmers, and being handled somewhat separate from the typical GM production. All similiarities related to the Corvette. But they didn't say "...and they are thinking of it being a V6 Corvette."

Normally, I wouldn't stand to correct Rob, but he was a bit misleading in his opening statement. "In February 2006, Motor Trend published a short article about the Corvette Sting Ray coming back as a V6 powered version of the Kappa platform."
No, the talk was of a Sting Ray, not a Corvette Sting Ray.

Additionally, like GerryLP said, the Sting Ray name itself was nothing but badging on the vette. It symbolized nothing special about the car. It's not like a hood badge declaring LT-1 or a fender badge declaring Z06. it was simply a name that in the grand scheme of things meant nothing more than "hey, it's a cool, aggressive sounding name".

Granted, I think the uninformed masses will confuse the new "Sting Ray" as being a lesser corvette, but these people aren't very different from those thinking that every C3 is a Sting Ray (or Stingray). Has that mentality from the public changed the actual value or performance of our cars? No.
Has it changed how much we love our cars? No.

Hey, I'm all about being passionate about our cars and it's history. But all this uproar is along the lines of the "gold bowtie being placed on a vette". Relax people! If you are frustrated by all this, go out and drive YOUR Corvette and be happy that you don't have a V6 Kappa or a big gold bowtie on your car. (Neither of which is set in stone, BTW)

:upthumbs

Rob
10-18-06, 03:04 PM
Normally, I wouldn't stand to correct Rob, but he was a bit misleading in his opening statement. "In February 2006, Motor Trend published a short article about the Corvette Sting Ray coming back as a V6 powered version of the Kappa platform."
No, the talk was of a Sting Ray, not a Corvette Sting Ray.

Not entirely misleading. The article I cited was merely something I posted as evidence of the rumors that are, at this recent time, circulating rampantly.

I simply posted that article as an FYI, and who's to say that article has any shred of concrete information, anymore than the rumors floating around.

The rumors and the magazine are nothing more than conjecture and heresay, so who know's what's coming down the pipeline.

6 Shooter
10-18-06, 03:07 PM
...so who know's what's coming down the pipeline.

http://us.tnpv.net/2005/GMC200504/GMC2005040834093_PV.jpg


;)

Rob
10-18-06, 03:09 PM
^^^^^^ Sorry. Wrong emblem. It's supposed to be the golden bow-tie. :D

WhiteKnight
10-18-06, 03:14 PM
Sounds like what's old is new again..

http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0304_chevrolet_corvettes/

Mixing It Up with Corvair

Designer Larry Shinoda usually got the look right, but nothing could keep this idea from being more wrong. The notion was to build a "junior" Corvette on the rear-engine Corvair chassis, in the hopes that some of the Vette's good mojo would rub off on a less-expensive car. Considering the Corvair's ultimate fate, it's best that this plan never went beyond the clay-model stage.

6 Shooter
10-18-06, 03:23 PM
It's supposed to be the golden bow-tie.

Hey - It's all just 1 Big Happy Family! ;)


http://us.tnpv.net/2003/GMC200306/GMC2003062444748_PV.jpg
http://us.tnpv.net/2002/GMC200208/GMC2002081432700_PV.jpg
http://us.tnpv.net/2001/GMC200106/GMC2001062154619_PV.jpg

Zippy
10-18-06, 05:39 PM
Corvette means V8 American muscle. Accept nothing less.

The defense rests.

Evolution1980
10-18-06, 05:48 PM
Not entirely misleading. The article I cited was merely something I posted as evidence of the rumors that are, at this recent time, circulating rampantly.

I simply posted that article as an FYI, and who's to say that article has any shred of concrete information, anymore than the rumors floating around. OK...THAT particular article didn't say anything about calling it a "Corvette" Sting Ray. :D :upthumbs :D

Evolution1980
10-18-06, 05:51 PM
Corvette means V8 American muscle. Accept nothing less. The defense rests. Right on, Brother!! I wouldn't take a '53 or '54 if someone paid me to take it off their hands!!! :L
:grinshot

In other news...this could be the fastest voted poll in CAC history! I can't recall any of 'em getting voted on this quickly! 120 votes already!

WhiteKnight
10-18-06, 08:34 PM
Kinda makes me wonder... from that artists rendering.. is that what they meant when they said the Corvette would soon wear a bow tie? They just forgot to mention it was going to be on "Jr. "

GerryLP
10-18-06, 11:46 PM
...this could be the fastest voted poll in CAC history! I can't recall any of 'em getting voted on this quickly! 120 votes already!

And the "bow Tie" poll is perhaps double that! WOW! :crazy
But I cannot readily tell in what time frame, though. Nothing better than someone stirring the pot from time to time to get the juices flowing...;LOL

GerryLP:cool

AUSSIEVETTEMAN
10-19-06, 04:34 AM
I guess ya gotta do what ya gotta do to survive these days in a global market.


6 Shooter, I wish the guys at GM would listen, a Corvette at the local Holden dealership would wipe the smiles off all the Commodore drivers here. If GM wanted to get serious about making the Vette a global car, it would be right hook and be in our dealerships.

One day.......

6 Shooter
10-19-06, 04:53 AM
If GM wanted to get serious about making the Vette a global car, it would be right hook and be in our stealer-ships.

One day.......
Ya know you boys down under made the GTO and shipped em up here, they should hook y'all up with some right steer beast and send em back @ ya!

I'm pretty sure the right steer would be a bit extra! ;)

Later - D

WhiteKnight
10-19-06, 02:58 PM
And the "bow Tie" poll is perhaps double that! WOW! :crazy
But I cannot readily tell in what time frame, though. Nothing better than someone stirring the pot from time to time to get the juices flowing...;LOL

GerryLP:cool


As of this post.. looks like this one was "faster"

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BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; WIDTH: 50pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=67 x:str="average ">average </TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; WIDTH: 50pt; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" width=66 x:str="average ">average </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17></TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Date time posted</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Time Elapsed</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Replies</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">Views</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; mso-ignore: colspan" colSpan=2>Poll Votes</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">replies/hour</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">views/hour</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent">votes/hour</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>Bow Tie</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="38996.395833333336">10/6/2006 9:30</TD><TD class=xl23 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="13.225198379630456">317 </TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>61</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>2271</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>306</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="0.1921836326161549" x:fmla="=D3/($C3*24)"> 0.19 </TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="7.1549021257588166" x:fmla="=E3/($C3*24)"> 7.15 </TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="0.96406871443513775" x:fmla="=F3/($C3*24)"> 0.96 </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 12.75pt" height=17><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; HEIGHT: 12.75pt; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" height=17>V6</TD><TD class=xl22 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="39007.311111111114">10/17/2006 7:28</TD><TD class=xl23 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num="2.3099206018523546">55 </TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>54</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>1012</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" align=right x:num>144</TD><TD style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent"></TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="0.97405945390317594" x:fmla="=D4/($C4*24)"> 0.97 </TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="18.254595691666928" x:fmla="=E4/($C4*24)"> 18.25 </TD><TD class=xl24 style="BORDER-RIGHT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-TOP: #e0dfe3; BORDER-LEFT: #e0dfe3; BORDER-BOTTOM: #e0dfe3; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent" x:num="2.5974918770751358" x:fmla="=F4/($C4*24)"> 2.60 </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

Evolution1980
10-19-06, 03:27 PM
As of this post.. looks like this one was "faster"

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background-color: transparent;" width="64"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); width: 48pt; background-color: transparent;" width="64"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); width: 48pt; background-color: transparent;" width="64"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); width: 56pt; background-color: transparent;" x:str="average " width="74">average </td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); width: 50pt; background-color: transparent;" x:str="average " width="67">average </td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); width: 50pt; background-color: transparent;" x:str="average " width="66">average </td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17"></td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;">Date time posted</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;">Time Elapsed</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;">Replies</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;">Views</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" colspan="2">Poll Votes</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;">replies/hour</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;">views/hour</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;">votes/hour</td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">Bow Tie</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="38996.395833333336" align="right">10/6/2006 9:30</td><td class="xl23" style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="13.225198379630456" align="right">317 </td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="" align="right">61</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="" align="right">2271</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="" align="right">306</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;"></td><td class="xl24" style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="0.1921836326161549" x:fmla="=D3/($C3*24)"> 0.19 </td><td class="xl24" style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="7.1549021257588166" x:fmla="=E3/($C3*24)"> 7.15 </td><td class="xl24" style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="0.96406871443513775" x:fmla="=F3/($C3*24)"> 0.96 </td></tr><tr style="height: 12.75pt;" height="17"><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); height: 12.75pt; background-color: transparent;" height="17">V6</td><td class="xl22" style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="39007.311111111114" align="right">10/17/2006 7:28</td><td class="xl23" style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="2.3099206018523546" align="right">55 </td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="" align="right">54</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="" align="right">1012</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="" align="right">144</td><td style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;"></td><td class="xl24" style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="0.97405945390317594" x:fmla="=D4/($C4*24)"> 0.97 </td><td class="xl24" style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="18.254595691666928" x:fmla="=E4/($C4*24)"> 18.25 </td><td class="xl24" style="border: medium none rgb(224, 223, 227); background-color: transparent;" x:num="2.5974918770751358" x:fmla="=F4/($C4*24)"> 2.60 </td></tr></tbody></table>
Our new in-house statistician... :D

GerryLP
10-19-06, 07:57 PM
Knight,

Good job!:upthumbs

GerryLP:cool

TODD L GRIFFITH
10-19-06, 09:32 PM
A V6 Corvette would only create videos all over the internet showing imports blowing their doors, an awful sight we would be forced to look at, or hear about. The Corvette would turn into a joke, hurting the Vette's image that took over 50 years to create. No thanks!! Hope GM is listening!!

ROCKETBLOCK
10-21-06, 07:00 PM
For two reasons:

1) I saw a small engine in The Unser Museum (http://www.unserracingmuseum.com/) smaller than my daughter's 22RE Toyota engine making 740 HP.

2) If the option were to be a V10, would the majority also object?;shrug

GerryLP:cool

You mean this one???
http://tinypic.com/452gaoo.jpg
That was a little V-6 beauty!!!

Kid_Again
10-21-06, 07:45 PM
Yeah, no big deal. If it is a true performace vehicle, then I have no problems with that.h

GerryLP
10-21-06, 08:15 PM
You mean this one???

That was a little V-6 beauty!!!

Rocketblock! You should have told me that you were in the area! I would have bought you a beer at Hooter's :beer

GerryLP:cool

eddonjan
10-22-06, 06:37 AM
did I die and go to hell?a v6 no way

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/images/design/front/kappa.jpg


In February 2006, Motor Trend published a short article about the Corvette Sting Ray coming back as a V6 powered version of the Kappa platform.

They wrote:



Full Article: http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0602_chevrolet_kappa_sting_ray/index.html

The rumors are once again getting much stronger!

What are your thoughts on this? Should the Corvette remain V8 powered only, or would a V6 version be ok since the Corvette started out with a V6 back in 1953?

ROCKETBLOCK
10-22-06, 04:44 PM
I think they should make a V-6 and a 4 cylinder..............................











In a Mustang! NOT a Corvette!

I wonder if there are any plans to make a 6 or 4 cyl. version of the NEW Camaro???

67HEAVEN
10-22-06, 08:21 PM
I wonder if there are any plans to make a 6 or 4 cyl. version of the NEW Camaro???

A 6 for sure. :)

Kid_Again
10-23-06, 07:45 AM
What's up with all this criticism of a V6? You guys ever hear of a Grand National? The engineering's only gotten better. Say you take a sub-four liter block, put deep breathing DOHC heads on top with VVT, very carefully designed variable intake runners and a variable exhaust and put it into a fairly lightweight body and what you have is some serious muscle. All basically off-the shelf stuff. Or you have my G35 coupe without the fat. Sorry, couldn't resist. :D

OK, OK, for all you GM homers.....take the above mentioned aluminum and put a single or sequential turbos or a supercharger on it and you have your performance car. Cheetah would be a better name. :cool

Pseudomind
10-23-06, 10:13 AM
What's up with all this criticism of a V6?

Have a V-6 anyway you want it as I am not criticizing a V-6 as I currently own a V-6 and have in the past. I just do not want to see a V-6 Corvette produced. They can go up in cylinders and the same goes for HP/Torque, but not down.

IMO

Evolution1980
10-23-06, 12:23 PM
Slightly divergent thought here but Pseudomind's comment above made me think...
What would you all say about a DOD ("Displacement On Demand") engine being put in the vette?

reliablechevy
10-23-06, 03:09 PM
i think its a great idea but dont call it a corvette maybe a modified chassis with the v-6 the chevy line does need a convertible so they quit buying so many mustangs

MMcVeigh
10-23-06, 03:46 PM
The poll asked if a V-6 Corvette was acceptable. I say a resounding NO to that, but the article didn't claim the new "Sting Ray" as a Corvette model. Another sports car in Chevy's lineup is fine, but I hope they don't steal the Sting Ray name.

SpartanSith
10-23-06, 04:03 PM
What if this V6 is the first step in a Corvette "line"? The current Corvette would be the flagship model, the V6 would be a smaller, more affordable model.

then its just goin to be like a stupid mustang, except the whole part where it doesnt have to be Fixed Or Repaired Daily...

Evolution1980
10-23-06, 04:16 PM
The poll asked if a V-6 Corvette was acceptable. I say a resounding NO to that, but the article didn't claim the new "Sting Ray" as a Corvette model. Another sports car in Chevy's lineup is fine, but I hope they don't steal the Sting Ray name.Wow, in 2 years of being registered, this finally drew a response from you??? :L
Why'd ya wait two years to post???

Z06bill
10-23-06, 05:09 PM
In 1953 I would have accepted a V6 Corvette; GM can increase gas mileage and keep the ecology people happy without going backwards.

Mac
10-23-06, 06:14 PM
The poll asked if a V-6 Corvette was acceptable. I say a resounding NO to that, but the article didn't claim the new "Sting Ray" as a Corvette model. Another sports car in Chevy's lineup is fine, but I hope they don't steal the Sting Ray name.
Welcome and thanks for posting!!

-Mac

Moval49er
10-23-06, 06:40 PM
The poll asked if a V-6 Corvette was acceptable. I say a resounding NO to that, but the article didn't claim the new "Sting Ray" as a Corvette model. Another sports car in Chevy's lineup is fine, but I hope they don't steal the Sting Ray name.


True - not claimed as a Corvette. I would add, though, that they should not use any existing Corvette name. The car is not V8, not plastic, not a vette by any measure.

They would be better off leaving the Corvette to Chevy, and keeping the Sky in front of the customer. In fact, of the two, the Sky looks better than the Solstice - there should only have been one, the Sky as a Pontiac, sold next to Corvette in a combined Chevy/Pontiac store.

The duplicate models are what is killing GM. Who needs three different versions of the same minivan? :crazy

67HEAVEN
10-23-06, 07:32 PM
MMcVeigh,

Welcome to the posting side of life. You're gonna love it. :w

chevy6673
10-23-06, 08:16 PM
just using the name to make money , they have been doing it for years with other old muscle cars

JBsC5
10-23-06, 09:51 PM
Great idea for a new Kappa coupe w/3.9 liter 270hp V6.

I'll buy one for my wife to enjoy. (she specifically doesn't want a vette? Go figure) but she does like the Solstice turbo...but she doen't want a convertible..

I might end up buying her one but would prefer a coupe if its available..

Turbo 4 or V6 it doesn't matter..

Just don't call it a corvette or a stingray and it'll be AWESOME!

JMO ( I voted no to adding the name Corvette or stingray ..but like the idea of the car)

mvarga
10-23-06, 10:36 PM
If it would help them stay profitable I'm sure GM would put "Sting Ray" on a golf cart. It's one thing to have a smaller engine in response to a so called fuel shortage(my first Corvette, a '75 was slow as hell), but to make a Vette with a smaller engine just to offer a lower priced car is a really bad idea.

mvarga
10-23-06, 10:49 PM
Yes , but it would be riding the coat tails of the Corvette to gain interest and sell a few cars. I can hear the salesmen now saying" and it's just as good as a Corvette." You'll have to excuse me... that thought makes me want to hurl!!!

F.J.B.
10-23-06, 11:56 PM
What are you ******* nuts????

Mac
10-24-06, 12:00 AM
Welcome F.J.B.!

Sorry about editing your post but there are ladies present.

-Mac

F.J.B.
10-24-06, 12:23 AM
Welcome F.J.B.!

Sorry about editing your post but there are ladies present.

-Mac


Okay fine....be a communist....let me rephrase my comment, but it will be politically correct for the Liberals.....

A 6 cylinder Corvette is an asinine idea!!!!!!!!

(is that better?)

vee93
10-24-06, 12:59 AM
I voted NO simply because there wasn't a box to check: H*LL NAW!!!!!
Oh come on!!! The tuner set has their uhm.... :puke Cobalt. There's the overpriced SSR. The stupid looking HHR (unless you're delivering milk!). Crappy, gas guzzling Tahoes and Trailblazers. The Silverado-you gotta luv trucks to buy one of these. The Avalanche--nice name that>> a thought: body color the trim GM. It looks like a Tonka toy. The twins--Malibu and Impala. The Aveo--I mean, really. It's a Barcolounger on go-cart wheels. Would you really spend 9k-13k for that death trap!?!!! I saw one hydroplane in normal rainy conditions when an 18-wheeler blew by it. It toppled off the road like a clown car. And last, there's a possible re-worked Camaro. Yeah, saw that. Rework it. That angular look is even going by the wayside for those aneorexic run-way girls.
If this..., thing..., comes to fruition, just call it the Cav II or h*ll, resurrect Chevette, but don't tag it with anything pertaining to Corvette heritage.
Just something else for GM to stick cheap plastic parts in with no thought what-so-ever to the consumer.

67HEAVEN
10-24-06, 06:04 AM
Okay fine....be a communist....let me rephrase my comment, but it will be politically correct for the Liberals.....

A 6 cylinder Corvette is an asinine idea!!!!!!!!

(is that better?)

F.J.B.,

We're happy to see you posting, but labelling Mac as a communist is a quick way to lose that privilege.

Let's keep it civil.

Kid_Again
10-24-06, 06:30 AM
"If it would help them stay profitable I'm sure GM would put "Sting Ray" on a golf cart." ;LOL

OK, you buncha purists. Putting a variety of engines in the Mushtang took absolutely nothing away from the performance image of that car. You still have the factory Cobra and there are tuners like Saleen. You folks may know better than me but the last I heard, Chevy was still selling all the C6s it could make. If they wanted to put a huffer micro mouse motor in the Corvette (I STILL think it needs to go on a diet), then it's still a performance vehicle and it stays within the brand image.

In today's business environment, IF the V6 is a possibility, I think GM drops it into the Sky/Solstice and that's the end of the story. I think.

Still not heretical enough? OK, remember the Eddy Bauer Edition Explorer? How about a ShopRite Edition Corvette with an I4 and cargo nets? And don't forget the step rails and AWD. :_rock VNV HAS to have a picture of that somewhere.

Kid_Again
10-24-06, 06:39 AM
Interesting.

I just pinged the Corvette web site and I see absolutely no reference to a branding statement...you know, something like "America's Only True Sports Car" or similar dribble.

Hmmmm. Suggests to me the brand defintion is in flux. More importantly, the very first option on the left hand menu is not Z06 or anything neat, it's about fuel efficiency.

I think you may be seeing a V6 in your future, Corvette.

Even more bizarre...just came back from Europe where I drove a variety of small displacement turbo diesels and they impressed the hell out of me, both on the low and top ends. You saw it here first, a diesel Corvette.

I'll lie down 'till it passes.:z

panzer
10-24-06, 07:58 AM
http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/images/design/front/kappa.jpg


In February 2006, Motor Trend published a short article about the Corvette Sting Ray coming back as a V6 powered version of the Kappa platform.

They wrote:



Full Article: http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0602_chevrolet_kappa_sting_ray/index.html

The rumors are once again getting much stronger!

What are your thoughts on this? Should the Corvette remain V8 powered only, or would a V6 version be ok since the Corvette started out with a V6 back in 1953?

What is your evidence that this rumor is getting stronger? I have not seen anything since this originally came out in the Autoweek article. The prevailing opinion was that it should not be called a Corvette.

Marlar
10-24-06, 08:25 AM
Not now, not tomorrow, not ever......:eyerole

Vettes are a low production flag ship. Keep it that way. Why mess with success? Another Chevy sporty type car would be OK, but leave my Vette ALONE!!
:mad :r

tdr1919
10-24-06, 08:37 AM
Looks nice but it is not a Corvette!
keep it as a Chevy, do not dilute the flagship!
Tom

Mac
10-24-06, 10:06 AM
Okay fine....be a communist....let me rephrase my comment, but it will be politically correct for the Liberals.....

A 6 cylinder Corvette is an asinine idea!!!!!!!!

(is that better?)
Much better, thanks...

I didn't realize that dropping an f-bomb was all it takes to eliminate communism, political correctness and liberalism. Man, I'm going to go change the world!! :L

-Mac

Evolution1980
10-24-06, 10:48 AM
!!! Tangent Alert !!!

I didn't realize that dropping an f-bomb was all it takes to eliminate communism ...and liberalism. Man, I'm going to go change the world!! :L NO!!! What's that leave us???? Fascism and Conservatism??!?! NO!!! You're not a part of "10 Years After"...Don't change the world! :L
!!! Tangent Alert !!!

We now return you to your normally scheduled programming: The V6 Corvette. :D

6 Shooter
10-24-06, 10:50 AM
!!! Tangent Alerts !!!

Evolution1980
10-24-06, 11:00 AM
What's with the: !!! Tangent Alerts !!!
Just my way of saying, "OK, I'm going off topic here for just one second...I'm not trying to hijack the thread and don't intend for my post to be the new topic." :D

L48
10-24-06, 11:19 AM
My Corvette is a Stingray, and this proposed new Sting Ray is not a Corvette.

I guess the fuss is about naming a new car Sting Ray with a V6 in it. I don't like naming a car Sting Ray but what I am going to do - protest GM by buying Fords instead? I can't believe they stopped building Camaros, and I don't like trucks carrying the SS banner either.

The idea of a V6 Corvette is fine with me as long as it makes more horsepower than the V8. A supercharged V6 should be lighter than the V8 and lighten up the car - right?

If GM really had it together they would have named the new performance Corvette the Stingray. Then they could name this new car with some sequence of numbers and letters.

ironmoo
10-24-06, 05:25 PM
Call it a Corvair Monza Spider and be done with it. It may get some free press as Ralph Nadar will probably perk up and notice. :)

jaclar0
10-24-06, 07:17 PM
You have to ask, from GM's perspective, what is the end result from a six cylinder powered two-seater within the Corvette family and what it is meant to accomplish.

Higher volume, increased sales, brand awareness, broader markets, environmental regulations, less packaging weight, lower insurance premiums, decreased production costs, etc. are all important considerations.

The Corvette has a brand awareness with unique equity, from a naturally aspirated overhead valve small block Chevy, rear drive, and two seats. Headlights are still debated, materials change, and wheels get bigger, but the package says "Corvette" from a mile away.

If we are looking at lower costs, with the supply and demand leading to increased sales, why not dip into the family of engines at a lower displacement. I'm nearing thirty years old, have an older Vette, and me and my wife make decent money, but simply cannot afford a new Vette. If a new 4.8L V8, 285 hp, low-option Vette sold for $30,000 tomorrow, I would write a check PROUDLY, as would many of you reading this.

If gas consumption or emission controls are an issue, displacement on demand, skip shift transmissions, and final drive ratios are technologies presently available to avoid the gas guzzler tax GM is quick to advertise against. And if less 'gadgets' were installed to begin with, the overall weight would decrease, and we all know the advantages of that.

Corvette has a large percentage of customers as repeat customers. Owners are justifiably proud of what the Corvette means to us, its performance, and its appeal on the road. So why would GM consider a six cylinder engine after spending fifty years of development and heritage to be where it is today.

Would you camp out two days to hear a C6-R turbo V6 at speed? This isn't 1985. The Corvette needs to be de-contented, not de-masculinated.

WhiteKnight
10-24-06, 08:00 PM
June 2026, Motor Trend

Toyota's performance division, Corvette, anounced the new 2028 lineup today. The Zed-Oh-8 built on the Zeta platform heads the lineup with twin 20,000 Kwh Hydro power plants. The Stingray coupe and Sting Ray convertable round off the offering, built on the Delta platform both powered by 15,000 Kwh Hydros. Toyota's Corvette performance is unmatched for the price, you can't touch anything close for under $765,000 Euros.

In related news Toyota is rumored to be bringing back the Chevrolet name and bow tie logo for 2029 as a family performance commuter line, it is unclear if they will use it as a new division or if Corvette will get it as a sub-brand. Jeremy Clarkson the current VP or Corvette said in a statment earlier this week they are undecided. However he indicated this would be fitting as the turn of the Millinium decision made by then GM brand Chevrolet, when they made the decision to use the Corvette model to attempt to bolster it's declining market share. This worked to some advantage, until the Chevrolet brand became Corvette and no longer had the panache it once did. Anyone remember the 2015 Corvette Outlander CUV with it's 1.8 hybriddeisel and AWD? How about the Edsel or the Aztek? Some say the Vette Outlander was the nail in the coffin for GM allowing Toyota to assume ownership. Clarksen did say he and Toyota will not let that fiasco happen again.

MT-2026

3rd Chance
10-24-06, 09:02 PM
The only question that should be posed to a Vette owner about what's under the hood is "Big Block or Small Block". Period.

Mac
10-24-06, 10:18 PM
June 2026, Motor Trend
A scary vision... :ugh

-Mac

Pseudomind
10-25-06, 05:55 AM
Just my way of saying, "OK, I'm going off topic here for just one second...I'm not trying to hijack the thread and don't intend for my post to be the new topic." :D


Whew! For minute there I though I would be seeing something like, ;) :D

!!Vectoring, Vectoring, Vectoring!!

or

!!Warning, Warning!! "Vectoring, Vectoring, Vectoring"

:rotfl

Pegasus
10-25-06, 03:57 PM
I too voted no, but I think there are probably waaaay too many folks getting their Maidenforms all bunched up over nothing. Know wud I mean Vern? ;squint:

JBsC5
10-26-06, 11:54 PM
The concept is great. The name is wrong.

Are we all pretty much in agreement?

Just curious but its the name thats wrong.

GM would do great to build the car! just don't call it stingray or corvette?

vet'svette
10-27-06, 08:49 AM
Why not use the Corvair name....or
Manta Ray
but NEVER call it a Corvette.
Nice car, wrong name.

Evolution1980
10-27-06, 09:24 AM
We should start another thread to name the car (besides Sting Ray)
I already have some ideas if GM is looking to reuse some past names. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/teufel/devil-smiley-023.gif

chevy6673
10-27-06, 12:34 PM
the name is very wrong

Sonny71
10-27-06, 04:28 PM
The Corvette has been a front engined, rear wheel drive, two seat, V8 powered car since 1955. It is a formula that has worked for 50+ years. I just see no reason to mess with success.

and for those who want a 6 let them buy a pontiac or saturn

kingman
10-28-06, 09:41 AM
So whatever they do it's purely for survival. If they thought that they could sell it under the name of Corvette Stingray they will.

Look at Mercede's and Porsche they both offer vehicles with their name on it just to sell them. And it works.

The Boxster is called a Porsche Boxster but the only thing in common with a real Porsche is the name period. But Boxster owners will tell their freinds that they own a Porsche.

Look at the Mercedes they offer a C series that carries a Mercedes name but it only carries the name otherwise it's an inexpensive sedan that is probably not as good as a Honda but when questioned what they are driving they can say l'm driving a Mercedes.

In our society it is not what is but what it seems to be.

Alan

The Stingray name is being saved for the so called "Blue Devil"

Alan

raidoman
10-28-06, 04:16 PM
They have continued to make the Corvette evolve into a world beater and now they want to water the name plate down. Bad move. The old saying "a camel is a horse designed by GM committees" comes to mind. They blew it on the Mustang by coming up with a Camaro years too late, having built the ridiculous SSR and have winners in the Solstace/Sky. let Pontiac and Saturn have those markets and not prostitute the Corvette label.

kingman
10-28-06, 05:20 PM
They have too many bean counter's instead of car lovers on their payroll. They are like monkey see monkey do. I unloaded all of my GM stock in my pension plan years ago and if l didn't l would be working for a lot longer to make up my loses.

The only way for GM to learn is to go belly up.

Such a sad day in motoring.

Alan

gbik
10-29-06, 11:41 PM
It is my opinion that a v6 vette, (gee that even sounds terrible) won't solve gm's problems. GM needs to compete with toyota, honda, chrysler, etc not itself. No use selling a corvette buyer a v6 mini vette. Just a sale they already had. Gm needs to go outside the markets they have to increase sales and profits. my 2 cents worth. Jay

GusVette
10-30-06, 12:59 AM
No Way!

:rotfl

Low drag - High speed
10-30-06, 10:07 AM
It is a good concept, but not as any stripe of Corvette. Give it its own name and leave the iconic Corvette clean to stand out and shine in the light of its own legend.

The names Solstice and Skye are lame and wussy, so if they want to top the GM V6 roadster trio with something hot, go for sex, brutality or speed ... something like, Machismochine, Shok-n-awe, or Zingy ............ LOL!

Evolution1980
10-30-06, 12:17 PM
so if they want to top the GM V6 roadster trio with something hot, go for sex, brutality or speed ... something like, Machismochine, Shok-n-awe, or Zingy ............ LOL!
Brutality and V6 should never be in the same sentence unless it's this one or one referring to ride quality! :L

Kid_Again
10-30-06, 12:52 PM
Eh, kids today don't necessarily equate performance with a V8. Lookit the Honda S2000, and the Z. For a V6, two less cylinders, less aluminum to drag around, 3 or 4 valves per cylinder and all the new gee-whiz technology attracts a different type of buyer.

I would really like to know the demographics of the 2006 Corvette buyer. My guess (a pure hunch based on my "windshield surveys") is that the average Corvette buyer is a bit long in the tooth. Doesn't mean that young guys don't lust after the car, I just don't think it would be their first (or second) performance choice. Any data out there to prove/disprove my guess that the average age of a Corvette buyer is ~35 YO?

I think it's all about money and ways of getting a younger buyer into line.

JMHO

Evolution1980
10-30-06, 12:57 PM
Eh, kids today don't necessarily equate performance with a V8. Lookit the Honda S2000, and the Z. For a V6, two less cylinders, less aluminum to drag around, 3 or 4 valves per cylinder and all the new gee-whiz technology attracts a different type of buyer.The Lotus Elise is probably the best example... :D

Kid_Again
10-30-06, 03:15 PM
The Lotus Elise is probably the best example... :D


You KNOW, that's a good point. There is actually a Lotus dealer in my little boro (Hopewell, NJ) and they appear to be doing one hell of business. They are selling lots of Elise's, always different colors on the lot and in the showroom. I wonder who's sales they're stealing? Buncha' OWGs is all that I see behind the wheel. Probably the only types who can drop 45 Large on a toy.

82ColEd
10-30-06, 04:05 PM
But Kid, they are also selling Rolls & Jag's (the real thing, old style), so i dont know if that compares to the young crowd GM seems to want to get to. If GM hopes to get younger buyers into the brand, they need a starter type car that has buzz.. Not a Vette, by name only.. See Scion's et al.. Cheap, Cool and mod'able.. ;)

Evolution1980
10-30-06, 04:23 PM
know if that compares to the young crowd GM seems to want to get to. If GM hopes to get younger buyers into the brand, they need a starter type car that has buzz.. They already have it. It's called the Cobalt SS.

82ColEd
10-30-06, 04:24 PM
They already have it. It's called the Cobalt SS.
Yep, they why muck with the Vette name.. ;)

Evolution1980
10-30-06, 04:45 PM
Yep, they why muck with the Vette name.. ;) As a little thread refresher...this particular article doesn't refer to the car as a Corvette, but a "Sting Ray". However, the mental association is there to the general public.

Kid_Again
10-30-06, 05:55 PM
to a C2 guy like me, Sting Ray (TWO words, please) = Corvette


Hmmmmmmmmm.....i dunno, with GM in the ****ter i wouldn't be surprised if the marketing guys get the upper hand and get a freebie on equity by stealing a legendary name and driving it downscale to attract new buyers


...with Toyota, they have more than enough money to wait and build up a brand...with chevy, "Cobalt SS" ain't maikin' it in my neck of the woods...i think they'll dream up anything to get more foot traffic in the showrooms

JoBu
11-04-06, 07:47 AM
Rob, don't you mean L6 back in '53?

I'm not sure that adding an entry level sports car to the Chevy line is a good idea especially if they call it any name that has Corvette tie-in. If GM wants Chevy to have an mid range sports car, at least they out to pick a totally new name for it that can not be mistaken for anything Corvette.

+1 I think a mid-range sports car would be a great idea...but just come up with a new name, that's all. I'd hate to see the "Sting Ray" name brought back for something like this. Anyone remember the Cadillac Cimmeron?? :ugh

Cheers,

Joe

JBsC5
11-04-06, 08:52 AM
For years I thought throwing the Inline six from the envoy into a stretched hydroformed chassis from the C5 would make a great camaro...

Then I thought the 3.9 liter V6 in a stretched solstice chassis would make a great Chevy coupe would be great..

Potientially naming it stingray is a mistake...

Now Manta Ray might be a good move..

JMO

rucruzin
11-05-06, 09:12 AM
<div align="center"><img src="/images/design/front/kappa.jpg" width="430" height="200" border="1" alt="" /></div>

In February 2006, Motor Trend published a short article about the Corvette Sting Ray coming back as a V6 powered version of the Kappa platform.

They wrote:



Full Article: http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0602_chevrolet_kappa_sting_ray/index.html

The rumors are once again getting much stronger!

What are your thoughts on this? Should the Corvette remain V8 powered only, or would a V6 version be ok since the Corvette started out with a V6 back in 1953?
This would be about the same as calling a "crawfish" a "lobster" just because you think people have a good opinion of lobster meat. A lot of people may be interested in finding out more but after investigating what it was they would never trust that restaurant again. (and a person might noy order lobster again because they now feel its just a "crawfish in disquise." Bottom line it ain't what you are saying it is. Remember someones brilliant idea on "new Coke"? Heaven save us from the marketing types - I can say that because I am one.

WONKABOY
11-05-06, 01:32 PM
http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/images/design/front/kappa.jpg



In February 2006, Motor Trend published a short article about the Corvette Sting Ray coming back as a V6 powered version of the Kappa platform.

They wrote:



Full Article: http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0602_chevrolet_kappa_sting_ray/index.html

The rumors are once again getting much stronger!

What are your thoughts on this? Should the Corvette remain V8 powered only, or would a V6 version be ok since the Corvette started out with a V6 back in 1953?


Let GM make any car they what with a 6 CID , but don't have it associated
at all with the Corvette , as like with the Camaro, etc , the styling should not look like the Corvette either, and certainly they cannot use any Corvette generic name , Stingray , Shark , etc. that's all she wrote !!:_rock

hoosierdaddy
11-07-06, 11:32 AM
NO, NO, NO! Leave it a V-8, it's a Corvette for Gods sake!

Larry McIntosh
11-07-06, 01:06 PM
I have been with Corvettes since they first came out. In 1954 when I was in the Marines in California I saw my first 1953 Corvette. I just loved the car, and have a picture of me by the car saying I was going to get one. This was a six banger, and was not very fast, and it leaked water. When the 1955 came out with the 265 V8 we were all happy. Through the years GM as made many changes, and said they were going to make it a four door, and many other crazy things. If they change their format on the Vette, it will be a big mistake. I for one will not have any desire to have one. My next one will be a ZR-1. At 71 I hope I can still handle the speed. Have a good one.

hoosierdaddy
11-07-06, 03:45 PM
I have been with Corvettes since they first came out. In 1954 when I was in the Marines in California I saw my first 1953 Corvette. I just loved the car, and have a picture of me by the car saying I was going to get one. This was a six banger, and was not very fast, and it leaked water. When the 1955 came out with the 265 V8 we were all happy. Through the years GM as made many changes, and said they were going to make it a four door, and many other crazy things. If they change their format on the Vette, it will be a big mistake. I for one will not have any desire to have one. My next one will be a ZR-1. At 71 I hope I can still handle the speed. Have a good one.

I agree with this totally. I plan on still being able to shift the gears in my C-5 even in my hundreds young man if the LORD willing!

Take care, 71 is still young, drive it like you stole it!

Bill :w

Cruza
11-08-06, 11:32 AM
Why should GM put in a V-6? Why not the small block V-8? I would consider buying one of those it they made one!! :ugh

tdr1919
11-08-06, 12:10 PM
Why should GM put in a V-6? Why not the small block V-8? I would consider buying one of those it they made one!! :ugh

Why not a dual overhead cam V-6 ? the Europeans have been building some very high-reving high-performance V-6's for years, put this into a small
bodied light weight sport car and like one of the guys on this thread said,
call it a Manta Ray!

Ha Ha, just keep the Corvette a Corvette!
Tom

hoosierdaddy
11-08-06, 09:21 PM
Got to have the V-8 in the CORVETTE, just gotta have. . . . . Next thing you know someone will want to bring back the "Power Glide Transmission" Oh no!

Bill

Brett
11-08-06, 09:42 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again.

This article does not say GM is putting a V6 in the Corvette. It's just saying they are thinking of a V6 powered sports car below the Corvette and above the Solstice/Sky. This has turned into an argument about nothing.

hoosierdaddy
11-08-06, 10:09 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again.

This article does not say GM is putting a V6 in the Corvette. It's just saying they are thinking of a V6 powered sports car below the Corvette and above the Solstice/Sky. This has turned into an argument about nothing.
__________________
Brett

No argument here, just conversation. I never read the article, but I can still make comments; are you scolding me or what? So you won't have to say it again I will look up the article and read it now.
Be :cool

hoosierdaddy
11-08-06, 10:19 PM
I've said it before and I'll say it again.

This article does not say GM is putting a V6 in the Corvette. It's just saying they are thinking of a V6 powered sports car below the Corvette and above the Solstice/Sky. This has turned into an argument about nothing.


For your information I have now read the article but this is what everyone is talking about in case you missed it: And it is just for general discussion and that is what we are doing discussing it generally.

Have a wonderful rest of the evening and week.

Bill

Rumor Mill: V6 Corvette is Coming
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http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/images/design/front/kappa.jpg


In February 2006, Motor Trend published a short article about the Corvette Sting Ray coming back as a V6 powered version of the Kappa platform.

They wrote:

Quote:
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Full Article: http://www.motortrend.com/future/con...ray/index.html (http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0602_chevrolet_kappa_sting_ray/index.html)

The rumors are once again getting much stronger!

What are your thoughts on this? Should the Corvette remain V8 powered only, or would a V6 version be ok since the Corvette started out with a V6 back in 1953?
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Corvette Action Center
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Brett
11-08-06, 10:56 PM
No argument here, just conversation. I never read the article, but I can still make comments; are you scolding me or what? So you won't have to say it again I will look up the article and read it now.
Be :cool

Not scolding you, or anyone else for that matter! I just find the title to the thread misleading.:cool GM has not stated any plans, or even rumors, to plop a V6 in the C6 engine bay. I just felt like pointing that out, but I agree, it is an interesting discussion.:)

tdr1919
11-08-06, 11:32 PM
No argument here, just conversation. I never read the article, but I can still make comments; are you scolding me or what? So you won't have to say it again I will look up the article and read it now.
Be :cool

C'mon Hoosierdaddy - don't get off yet, this is one of the best threads we've had for awhile, it doesn't matter how it started, just what it has evolved into!

Tom

hoosierdaddy
11-09-06, 08:28 AM
C'mon Hoosierdaddy - don't get off yet, this is one of the best threads we've had for awhile, it doesn't matter how it started, just what it has evolved into!

Tom

This thread started by an article (Posted by the Site Administrator no less) just for general discussion and what everyones thoughts would be about the possibility of a V-6 in somthing that either used or referenced the Corvette trade mark or appearance even ever so slightly. There has been discussion of some kind of a spin off of the Corvette name associated with it; this was just food for thought and to stimulate discussion in generalities. If I wanted a 6 popper it would have to be in a 1953 or 1954 and the chances of ever affording one of those are slim to none, and if I had one it would scare me to death to drive it. I don't like to be scolded :mad so to speak and maybe it wasn't directed at me and I took it personally. No one ever came out and said that GM was going to put a V-6 in a Corvette, just the rumors of the possibility of a spin-off of some sort.

Now I will get off my soap box before it breaks.

You all have a wonderful day, and my final word on the matter is, the Corvette all years stand alone so let's leave it alone and keep the V-8 in it.

Bill :w

67HEAVEN
11-09-06, 08:34 AM
Thanks for your thoughts, Bill. ;)

hoosierdaddy
11-09-06, 10:18 AM
Thanks for your thoughts, Bill. ;)

Was I thinking right according to the generalites of discussion Bob? It never was my intentions of getting off track or hijacking this thread and didn't think that I did. But if I did I appoligize and will use restraint in the future.

Bill :beer

67HEAVEN
11-09-06, 10:33 AM
No need for apologies. We're enjoying reading all the thoughts about this subject from people who are passionate about Corvettes.

Keep it coming, folks.

:w

hoosierdaddy
11-09-06, 10:59 AM
No need for apologies. We're enjoying reading all the thoughts about this subject from people who are passionate about Corvettes.

Keep it coming, folks.

OK then Bob lets drop a V-6 in 67HEAVEN :L or would you like 2 of them? The V-6 has come a long ways for sure but just can't see it in the Corvette today.

Bill

Ghost
11-09-06, 11:30 AM
Last time I checked, Corvette was a model of the Chevrolet brand, not its own brand. Sting Ray is (to me) associated with Corvette. Another name not associated closely with Corvette would be OK, but leave the Corvette alone. Manta Ray, Cheeta, even Hammerhead maybe.... Devil Ray?

67HEAVEN
11-09-06, 11:55 AM
OK then Bob lets drop a V-6 in 67HEAVEN :L or would you like 2 of them? The V-6 has come a long ways for sure but just can't see it in the Corvette today.

Bill

Bill,

As soon as they offer a V6 with at least 567 ft-lb of torque, I'll consider it. ;)

hoosierdaddy
11-09-06, 12:35 PM
Bill,

As soon as they offer a V6 with at least 567 ft-lb of torque, I'll consider it.

I hear you Bob, that would be my feelings as well. GM, Chevrolet and etc. is going to have a hard time ever coming up with a V-6 with the low end torque of the famed "BIG BLOCK" or even the high revs of the small block. I know times are changing and V-6's of today are much improved but give me the V-8 and esspecially in the CORVETTE.

Bill

Larry McIntosh
11-09-06, 01:14 PM
Bill you are making my day with your comments on the Corvette. Keep up the good comments, you are thinking just like me about the vette. I have so much literature on corvettes through the years, and this is not the first time that GM has thought about changing the engine in the corvette. Remember the L-88, we bought that car for speed, not for just cruising. Anyway I will be surprised if GM changes the V8, they still used the V8 in the ZR-1, and changed it because of cost, and refinement in the LT-1 engine. Have a good day. Larry

Brett
11-09-06, 02:56 PM
I don't like to be scolded :mad so to speak and maybe it wasn't directed at me and I took it personally.

Once again, I was definitely not speaking towards you, or anyone else. Nor did I mean for it to come off negatively. I don't see it.


No one ever came out and said that GM was going to put a V-6 in a Corvette

Actually, yes, Rob did say that. The thread title is "Rumor Mill: V6 Corvette is Coming." And hence, page after page of people saying "No V6 in a Corvette." I wanted to put my 2 cents in that the article didn't say anything, not even a rumor, that supported that claim. Had nothing to do specifically with you or your post, again.

Can we all debate it? Of course. I just felt like making that point. Nothing more, nothing less.

Evolution1980
11-09-06, 03:23 PM
Brett...Bill... You are both already rehashing old posts in this very thread! :L

Post 42 (http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/forums/showpost.php?p=758776&postcount=42) & 43 (http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/forums/showpost.php?p=758850&postcount=43)... check 'em... ;)

hoosierdaddy
11-09-06, 04:51 PM
Brett...Bill... You are both already rehashing old posts in this very thread!

I did go back and read post #42 & #43 and never for a minute thought this was anything other than the rumor mill. But I do disagree with you saying that "Sting Ray" does not designate Corvette, other than the fish (mamal or what ever it's called) what else have you have seen it on? Oh wait a minute I remember a bicyle called the "Sting Ray" too :L In the end if GM thinks it will sell it will come to be but I don't have to like it and that is all I am saying. I know all of this is a marketing thing and if it pulls GM out of the slump more power to them but I have my doubts this will do it. I guess in the end all I care about is my Corvette having a V-8 in it. . . . . . . . :_rock

This was a topic for discussion petaining to rumor has it about a V-6 in a Corvette. Maybe I got a little ouchy about it and if I did I'm sorry, and rest assured it was unintentional. I think it is time for me to get out of this thread anyway.

Color me gone as they say. . . . . . .

Bill :)

nthfinity
11-10-06, 12:37 AM
I had spotted this V6 "vette" some time ago, and recieved assurance that Lutz himself killed the project... at least in its form that it was in; which was a solstice, with larger brakes, and a bigger engine.

I'm told pontiac guys really wanted this machine themselves

purpleRac3r
11-10-06, 10:01 PM
Hmmm, I seem to recall a concept car Chevy paraded around from a few years ago called the Nomad. It was on the Kappa platform, just like the Solstice and Sky concepts. The car looked very much like the original '50's Nomad concept, the one based on the '53 Corvette. Perhaps this is the source of the V6 Vette rumor. Personally, it was a pretty cool car. However, it's NOT a Corvette, nor would any V6-powered imitation. Remember, the Corvette almost died before it got started, mostly because of the lack of real power. Corvette = V8!!

roger
11-15-06, 03:38 PM
It was good for the first two years, why not..........................

chevy6673
11-15-06, 06:01 PM
It was good for the first two years, why not..........................
not sure but i have read the vette did not sell that great the first few years ..

Evolution1980
11-15-06, 06:14 PM
not sure but i have read the vette did not sell that great the first few years ..It didn't. It was saved by Ford's introduction of the Thunderbird.

grapeknutz
11-16-06, 08:53 AM
Suppose if the engine were a twin cam, four or even a five valve engine that is purpose built with a turbo(s) would that change your minds?
There is someone that has a Buick V6 turbo in a C4 that makes alot of sense and power! I can think of alot of advantages with this setup.
Remember V8s are nice but techno engines are the future!

nthfinity
11-16-06, 05:13 PM
^^^^^^
arn't the modern LS6 and LS7 quite high tech?

the age old "hp/liter" argument is so faux that even those various european, and japanese companies are making larger displacement to make up the difference.

a high tech v6 aka DOHC ... that is nice and all; but lets analyze the optionsn out there that are performance orented.

Alfa Romeo has a DOHC peaky V6 that makes you want to give it some stick.... but sadly, it just doesnt compete in the realm of a sports car

Ferrari Dino V6... light weight, and relatively small package, 30+ years ago; and nothing but the rumor of a future Dino v6 at the moment.

Duratek V6 3.5.... has plenty of power for the applications it is used for... but still, displacement reigns king.

NSX VTEC V6.... it is very liniar torque throughout the rev band, but at no speed does it feel like it is fast; but it does just keep going and going, and evenutally needs a gear change.

straight 6?
M3 3.2 variocam engine.... high strung, high-ish power, ok noise... but even BMW are going with a new v8 higher displacement engine instead of further developing the ultimate straight 6 performance engine.

Mercedes engines often hare touting 3 valve designs

Ferrari did the 5 valve head for the F 360, and F50... and for some reason, are back with 4 valve heads, and bigger displacement to get added power/torque. I think somebody else did a 5 valve head, but i can't remember who.

Porsche were low tech 2 valve heads up until 1997 even! many take the 996 DOHC engine with a crain of salt, as there was actually less power, and powertrain performance until the final generation 996 X50 package came about... even so, much of what they have put in the DOHC was learned from the 962, and 959 2 decades ago!

so basically, calling a dohc motor high tech because it has more valves, and more cams doesn't really make sence to me. otherwise, the Northstar engine would be better, right?

JohnGrawcock
11-16-06, 08:25 PM
A light yet powerful V6 roadster would be great fun to drive. I think Chevy needs to make this car. The only thing I don't agree with is the name. If the car is done well and priced correctly it will quickly develop it's own following without borrowing from Corvette history.

movn94
11-17-06, 11:23 AM
This car is not a Corvette but a car to give Cheyy some floor traffic that they are currently missing with the new kappa platform. I think the car will be renamed once GM developes enough talk to generate interest in this car. The Sting Ray will be moved to the new 650HP Corvette in 2 years. Want to bet?



http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/images/design/front/kappa.jpg



In February 2006, Motor Trend published a short article about the Corvette Sting Ray coming back as a V6 powered version of the Kappa platform.

They wrote:



Full Article: http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0602_chevrolet_kappa_sting_ray/index.html

The rumors are once again getting much stronger!

What are your thoughts on this? Should the Corvette remain V8 powered only, or would a V6 version be ok since the Corvette started out with a V6 back in 1953?

RSchleder
11-17-06, 12:34 PM
Makes me want to find a barf bag- long live the V8, dom't screw up this wonderful car or suggest that another badged vehicle belongs in the Corvette family--just my humble (and strong:) ) opinion Ron

Norseman
11-17-06, 02:02 PM
Actually, why not? Some people just can't deal with change; they resist it to the bitter end and are left behind and go out of business. How many times have you guys had a change implemented at work and thought 'crap this really sucks; I can't believe they are really going to do this.' only to find later that, 'Man, this really was a great idea; I can't believe I ever liked the old way.'
There will always be a Corvette in my dreams, and maybe even room for a Chevy- Stingray little brother; just don't call it a Corvette.:)

Actually GM needs to get rid of a lot of its excess baggage. IMHO they should get rid of Pontiac, Buick, and several overseas brands and concentrate on Cadillac, Chevrolet and Saturn.

Also I would like to see Corvette be its own brand like Lexis is separate from Toyota. Corvette with their own dealerships! Just imagine; you go into an all Corvette dealership with only Corvette salesmen and mechanics-no other distractions or compromises; just pure Corvette expertiese; Corvette, the American Ferrari! :upthumbs

Evolution1980
11-17-06, 02:13 PM
Actually, why not? Some people just can't deal with change; they resist it to the bitter end and are left behind and go out of business. "There's no replacement for displacement." Anything you can do to a 6-banger can be done to an 8. So stick with the additional cubes and apply the same upgrade ideas!
:upthumbs

partsman427
11-17-06, 02:45 PM
put the "hitech" V6 in the saturn sky and the pontiac solstice and let them go BMW hunting, leave the Corvette to be the ultimate V8 Muscle car, while you are at it lets see that 5.7-6.0-7.4 grow to 8100 496ci and where is our sidepipes? why do we have to drive 40 year old technology to get a big block & sidepipes?

partsman427
11-17-06, 03:07 PM
It was good for the first two years, why not..........................
You should take a ride in a C1- I 6 to see just how good?
of course that standard equipment cast iron powerglide 2 speed
did not add to the overall performance package.

Vettelt193
11-17-06, 03:55 PM
Why can't they fit the smaller vortec V8, Northstar 4.6, or the LS4 (5.3 that's in the new impala ss)?

Then we'd have a new V8 powered roadster that is fun to drive and cheaper to buy... it would be nice if it had the Corvette name on it then too.

I never had any complaints about the power in my 1987, with it's whopping 240 HP. Most of the time I just cruise anyway. It's nice to see the new Corvette with power of 400+, but at the same time it would also be nice to see

At this point the price of a new corvette is so high that the average buyer is getting older and older... It would be nice to bring back the days of an average American being able to afford one. The thing that keeps Corvette around is sales... If GM doesn't do something to allow younger buyers in they will get to the point of not having a customer base left.

It used to be that 20-somethings were into Corvettes and similar cars... now Corvette actually has a negative connotation with most of this age group... and they are buying cars like the 350Z, sport compacts, or luxury sport coupes like BMW's.

Evolution1980
11-17-06, 05:11 PM
If GM doesn't do something to allow younger buyers in they will get to the point of not having a customer base left. You are forgetting about the used car market...plenty of C5's out there that are cheap to come by and will still blow the doors of the competition. But you make good points too.

nthfinity
11-17-06, 05:15 PM
^^^
edit: whoa, talk about timing LOL

now Corvette actually has a negative connotation with most of this age group... and they are buying cars like the 350Z, sport compacts, or luxury sport coupes like BMW's.


I'm 24, and I dont know what people you hang around with, but I'd much rather shoot a $29,000 C5 Z vs. a new Nissan 350Z, or really pretty much anything else.

of course, perhaps I'm different, but I know plenty of people in my age range who appreciate things that actually hold superior performance, the sound of a lopey V8, and the feel of a real sports car. The 350 Z is sporty, sure... as is the Supra, and the Evo's and STi's, and S2000's.... but really, it is night and day between a 'vette and one of those youngster fast and ferious people. sure, there are some impressive japanese cars running out there... but in terms of reliability, usability, drivability, and overall performance, the vette outdoes virtually everything. I wouldn't mind bragging that I own one (not at this time; but perhaps by next summer i have one in my signts)

barkingowl
11-17-06, 07:48 PM
Sure why not.

Norseman
11-17-06, 09:14 PM
I agree with the guy a few replies back that's why I drive a STi and a Vette. LOL.:D

By the way the Corvette never was a young guys car it always was an expensive car to buy.:cry

67HEAVEN
11-17-06, 09:28 PM
.......By the way the Corvette never was a young guys car it always was an expensive car to buy.:cry

Yes, it was always expensive (in the context of the times), but, I submit that the average owner's age has gradually gone up over the years.

Back when I bought Heaven, in the fall of '66, and through the rest of the 1960's and the 1970's, many Corvettes were driven by younger "car guys". Somehow, I was able to afford the payments in spite of being young and crazy. :crazy

Now, my impression is (but I've been wrong before) ;) that the Corvette has been moved upscale (intentionally by GM) to the leasing crowd (lawyers, stock brokers, et al) and the retired (or close to it) buyers who have more disposable income, but rarely get grease on their knuckles. The upscale move certainly made sense for GM's bottom line.

http://www.computersupport.ca/Restoration/67HEAVEN-Wilson-Niblett01-600.jpg

chrisgen3
11-19-06, 09:15 AM
It may have started with a 6 but not a V6.

hoosierdaddy
11-19-06, 11:20 AM
Now, my impression is (but I've been wrong before) ;) that the Corvette has been moved upscale (intentionally by GM) to the leasing crowd (lawyers, stock brokers, et al) and the retired (or close to it) buyers who have more disposable income, but rarely get grease on their knuckles. The upscale move certainly made sense for GM's bottom line.

http://www.computersupport.ca/Restoration/67HEAVEN-Wilson-Niblett01-600.jpg[/quote]

I totally agree HEAVEN, and by the way I love this picture. Also I might add I too was wrong once :L but I still think if there is a reference to the CORVETTE name it needs a " I could have had a V-8"

Bill :beer

Norseman
11-19-06, 06:30 PM
Damn 67Heaven, that's one hell of a paint job!:upthumbs

Vettelt193
11-20-06, 02:42 PM
^^^
edit: whoa, talk about timing LOL

I'm 24, and I dont know what people you hang around with, but I'd much rather shoot a $29,000 C5 Z vs. a new Nissan 350Z, or really pretty much anything else.

of course, perhaps I'm different, but I know plenty of people in my age range who appreciate things that actually hold superior performance, the sound of a lopey V8, and the feel of a real sports car. The 350 Z is sporty, sure... as is the Supra, and the Evo's and STi's, and S2000's.... but really, it is night and day between a 'vette and one of those youngster fast and ferious people. sure, there are some impressive japanese cars running out there... but in terms of reliability, usability, drivability, and overall performance, the vette outdoes virtually everything. I wouldn't mind bragging that I own one (not at this time; but perhaps by next summer i have one in my signts)

I'm 26:) I don't disagree with what you are saying (or what evolution is saying)... My point is not what we (as corvette lovers) think, it's what people in our age bracket think in general. I personally would rather buy a used 'Vette over any of these other cars (for many reasons). BUT, our age group really aren't buying corvettes. People our age that are in the approx. 30,000 market range are leaning towards 3 series BMW's, or in the sporty category going for something like a Z, S2000, or Acura RSX. Many of my friends are tired of used cars too, and want a new one (sick of driving beater cars through high school and college, and finally have good jobs so they can afford a nice car with a warrantee). I tried talking a friend of mine into a used Corvette but he really wanted a new car so he wound up buying a Honda Civic SI (and it wasn't cheap).

When people buy a car and like it, they tend to become loyal to that brand and will be more likely to buy another one. By missing out on this younger and cheaper group of buyers, I think they are killing the future of Corvette... Lets see a cheaper 'vette so these people can aspire to get the 'real thing' some day instead of aspiring to buy a high-end car from another manufacturer. My friend that bought the Civic loves it, and it's a good bet that he'll buy another Honda in a few years because of it.

I really think part of GM's problem today is because instead of doing any kind of long term marketing over the past 25 years they have just worried about that particular year/day. Many of the other brands out there (like Honda) aren't building a better car today than GM is, they offer no more value or reliability. But the general concensus is 'it's a honda, it's great' because they have had great long-term marketing. Most people have a hard time understanding that the 1989 Honda Civic that they owned with little or no problems is not a comparison to a fully loaded car of the same year. Of course you had no problems, it had nothing on the car to break!

sorry for the rant... hopefully GM does something right in the future to keep things going:)

Evolution1980
11-20-06, 05:23 PM
When people buy a car and like it, they tend to become loyal to that brand and will be more likely to buy another one. By missing out on this younger and cheaper group of buyers, I think they are killing the future of Corvette... Lets see a cheaper 'vette so these people can aspire to get the 'real thing' some dayHmmm... I can't argue the logic with the garnering brand loyalty... :upthumbs
Although the part about the "real thing" could be applied to what's already available: Base model -vs- Z06 -vs- "Blue Devil" (TBA) -vs- Supertuner vette.
You're just suggesting throwing in something even more "basic". I can see your reasoning.

Another thing to consider, as your friend may have done when you were talking to him about a used vette versus a new car (Civic...heheheh). What's the TCO between the cars? (Total Cost of Ownership). What's the maintenance on the vette versus the civic? What's the difference in insurance rates between the two cars? These are all things that probably helped your friend choose the Honda. And they are definitely valid reasons, especially when considering a daily driver!

Cruza
11-21-06, 07:42 AM
I guess that it could be worse. If gas gets high enough they may make the Vette a HYBRID!!!!:ugh

Evolution1980
11-21-06, 11:32 AM
You're just suggesting throwing in something even more "basic". I can see your reasoning.On my way into work this morning, I saw some cars that triggered another thought about this topic.
When talking of a more "basic" base Corvette, we essentially already have 'em! The Camaro which already had the title of "The poor man's Corvette". There's the Trans-Am. And now the GTO.

So now I'm thinking, "no, a V6 vette is maybe not such a good idea." What would this do to GM's current line-up I just mentioned? Especially if they plan to re-introduce the camaro?

Dirtfarmer
11-21-06, 01:38 PM
Ok, no V6. How about a Wankel powerplant? :D

http://www.illustratedcorvetteseries.com/images/ICS_52_1973_4-Rotor.jpg

Brett
11-22-06, 02:14 AM
When people buy a car and like it, they tend to become loyal to that brand and will be more likely to buy another one. By missing out on this younger and cheaper group of buyers, I think they are killing the future of Corvette... Lets see a cheaper 'vette so these people can aspire to get the 'real thing' some day

Aren't Corvette sales the highest they have ever been with both the C5 and C6 generations at $45k? Doesn't seem to be killing the future.

I also totally agree with Evolution that the Firebird/Camaro/GTO fill the "cheaper Corvette" market. No reason for a lower end 'vette.

hoosierdaddy
11-23-06, 10:04 AM
I would go along with this thinking as well.


also totally agree with Evolution that the Firebird/Camaro/GTO fill the "cheaper Corvette" market. No reason for a lower end 'vette.
Bill

whitehedr
11-23-06, 12:09 PM
Looks like GM is using the same logic IBM tried a few years ago with the PCjr. That venture failed for IBM and a Corvettejr will probably fail for GM as well. A Corvette should have a V-8 and have seats for two.

The Saturn Sky and the Pontiac Solstice are already reality. Why would GM add another very similar car to the line?

Vettepirate
11-23-06, 08:14 PM
Im 22 and my interest in vettes has only been around for about 16 months; i finally bought one at the end of september... i wont be buying anymore gifts for myself for quite some time :)

I used to prefer european cars for some time. My friends would always say "Dude, look at that Vette, awesome" and so on. I always thought it was a rather average car, until i started reading up about it and i slowly became interested. Superb engineering, specifically (it seems to me) in later models and great looks is what brought me to the Vette, im happy i didnt end up buying something else. That doesnt mean ive given up my ultimate dream of owning a Lamborhini of some kind, but i dont think i could ever sell my vette even if i was graduating to something exotic. Im sure a vette is far more reliable than anything Ferrari/Porsche can conjure up, and more importantly just as performing.

More on topic, im rather undecided. Im definately decided on what the name should be, and i know it should NOT be "Stingray". What a ridiculous idea. V-6... go for it, but it couldnt be a Stingray in my book even with a fancy plastic logo and adds proclaiming some BS "the legend is back" taglines. Im not a huge fan of the Stingray myself, but as a more or less dispassionate observer i could easily sympathise with the NO crowd.

-I own a Stingray.
-Awesome, what year?
-2009.
-Oh.................. Errrr... how about that Solstice!

You catch the drift. If Chev/GM can apply the same engineering they did on the C5, this new car would be fantastic; I just can't see it called a Stingray, it's just wrong. MAYBE if it was a roaring V8 with old-style lines, i might be able to take a new Stingray. (at 22, im not exactly part of the older vette crowd, i guess i wouldnt be scandalised). From the concept art im seeing though, id expect it to look like a Boxster before remotely resembling a Stingray.

Call it a Manta Ray if you want, but associating it with the Vette would be wrong.

hoosierdaddy
11-23-06, 08:21 PM
If Chev/GM can apply the same engineering they did on the C5, this new car would be fantastic; I just can't see it called a Stingray, it's just wrong. MAYBE if it was a roaring V8 with old-style lines, i might be able to take a new Stingray.

I totally agree with this, and got to keep the V-8

ricersvette89
11-23-06, 10:33 PM
I have to say this:
I am a younger person looking for a good car. I do not want a Corvette with a V6 in it. its better for GM to make a V6 Solstice and call it a Fiero. and it if they turbo it better call it a Fiero GT. GM: if you do this make sure it gets on fire every time the car is at a stoplight. Please do not mess with American's sports car (and no the Viper is a sports car its a kitchen on wheels!).
So last words:
This Gen-Y person does not want a V6 Vette. V8+RWD+2 doors+ BG= Corvette

REDL98C4
11-24-06, 12:35 AM
The Corvette has been a front engined, rear wheel drive, two seat, V8 powered car since 1955. It is a formula that has worked for 50+ years. I just see no reason to mess with success.

Works for me!

Bonnell
11-24-06, 09:20 AM
I have to say this:
I am a younger person looking for a good car. I do not want a Corvette with a V6 in it. its better for GM to make a V6 Solstice and call it a Fiero. and it if they turbo it better call it a Fiero GT. GM: if you do this make sure it gets on fire every time the car is at a stoplight. Please do not mess with American's sports car (and no the Viper is a sports car its a kitchen on wheels!).
So last words:
This Gen-Y person does not want a V6 Vette. V8+RWD+2 doors+ BG= Corvette
:beer

Corvette Blogger
11-30-06, 09:46 AM
I love the remark by cj5nutz: "What's next, the Corvette minivan?" I guess it would be the Corvette Crossover, now! My suggestion is: Let's try Corvair again.

hoosierdaddy
11-30-06, 10:43 AM
Even if it's a Corvair Spider I still want a V-8

DIE4RED
12-02-06, 12:57 AM
No way a 6 cylinder.

rickreeves1
12-12-06, 02:32 PM
Thats about as dumb as a Porche BUV. Sorry Porche fans.

DeltaP
12-18-06, 12:16 PM
What are they thinking? Yes it started with a six but it could end with a six also! Whats next a Corvette SUV?
deltap


http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/images/design/front/kappa.jpg


In February 2006, Motor Trend published a short article about the Corvette Sting Ray coming back as a V6 powered version of the Kappa platform.

They wrote:



Full Article: http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0602_chevrolet_kappa_sting_ray/index.html

The rumors are once again getting much stronger!

What are your thoughts on this? Should the Corvette remain V8 powered only, or would a V6 version be ok since the Corvette started out with a V6 back in 1953?

Corvette Blogger
12-18-06, 01:26 PM
Aren't Corvette sales the highest they have ever been with both the C5 and C6 generations at $45k? Doesn't seem to be killing the future.

I also totally agree with Evolution that the Firebird/Camaro/GTO fill the "cheaper Corvette" market. No reason for a lower end 'vette.
Actually, the high watermark for Corvette production was with the C3 in 1979 with a close second in the first year of the C4 in 1984. Production is easily running 10,000 units less per year now. Of course, they sell for at least four times as much now!

59-62USNVET
12-18-06, 01:47 PM
If they are serious about a V6, how about if they put in two V6s and we end up with one serious V12?
59-62USNVET

slong
12-18-06, 08:24 PM
Well I voted no. With that said there are some very interesting things you can do with a (V6 rear wheel drive) as you all know. Maybe you might see a bigger / Grand National block set-up in the Vette. Well built and tuned they are hard to beat. Not saying they can't be beat, just saying exactly that. Example; my kid has an SRT-4. You want to talk fast! For a measly $1900 he upgraded the turbo and produces well over 400HP with a motor that is dead proven solid well over 700HP and it is a four banger at that. That puts the cost of the car at $24K. With that in a 2500LB car well, just do the math. If only he had rear wheel drive. That is my only advantage in the Z06. I must agree with an earlier post; GM must do what they have to do just to stay afloat.

Reply with your own post Admin! Don't edit mine. "FORHEAVENSSAKE"

80VetteL82
12-19-06, 10:18 AM
NOOOOOOOO. The Corvette was a V6 in the beginning, but the Sting Ray never was. I feel that would be a complete disgrace to the name just to try to increase sales! I would be Very VERY disappointed in GM if they did this.

67HEAVEN
12-19-06, 11:35 AM
NOOOOOOOO. The Corvette was a V6 in the beginning, but the Sting Ray never was. I feel that would be a complete disgrace to the name just to try to increase sales! I would be Very VERY disappointed in GM if they did this.

Permit me to offer the following:

- the Corvette never had a V6. In 1953, 1954 and part of 1955, it had a "straight" or in-line 6.

- the Sing Ray was not a special model of Corvette. It is what Corvettes were also called in 1963-1967 (Sting Ray) and 1969-1976 (Stingray).

:w

Norseman
12-19-06, 04:15 PM
I have to disagree with Slong about the Grand National those Buick turbo's blue up a lot and resale value sucked; but now a days turbo's are much more reliable and a V-6 turbo might not be such a bad idea. I drive a 2004 Subaru STi turbo and it rocks no perceptible lag. This is my every day driver my parking lot at work is no place for a Corvette. This summer as I was driving home in my little 4 banger I found myself behind a black C-5, 6-speed at a stoplight. He had after market pipes and it really looked and sounded sharp. When the light changed he took off like a bat out of hell, and I thought what the heck and floored it; I stayed right on his ass till the next light as he maxed out

Norseman
12-19-06, 04:30 PM
I have to disagree with Slong about the Grand National those Buick turbo's blew up a lot and resale value sucked; but now a days turbo's are much more reliable and a V-6 turbo might not be such a bad idea.
I drive a 2004 Subaru STi turbo and it rocks- no perceptible lag; see my avitar. This is my every day driver as my parking lot at work is no place for my Corvette. This summer as I was driving home in my little 4 banger I found myself behind a black C-5, 6-speed at a stoplight. He had after market pipes and it really looked and sounded sharp. When the light changed he took off like a bat out of hell, and I thought what the heck and floored it; I stayed right on his ass as he maxed out first through fifth then we had to slow down for the next light which was about 3/4 a mile later. I pulled even on his left side to make a left hand turn and looked over at him; if looks could kill I'd be dead. I just smiled and held up 4 fingers; he turned his head and never looked back, his face was red and looked like his head was about to explode. Some people just can't be gracious. :eyerole If I had been in my vette and the rolls reversed, I would have given him a big thumbs up!:beer

slick130
12-20-06, 10:15 PM
Putting a V-6 in a Corvette would be like putting a VW engine in a freight train ........I agree , don't call it anything close to a Corvette or a Sting Ray. A V-8 is the only way to go.

hoosierdaddy
12-22-06, 10:21 AM
V-8 all the way!

trs
12-23-06, 02:07 PM
Here's the simple, straightforward disposition, one that even POTUS can state without bumbling it, to the idea of equipping a Corvette with a v-6 engine

NO

Norseman
12-23-06, 03:44 PM
How bout an opposed 4 with a built in sound amplifying system that sounds like a V-8 or V-12.;LOL

Back9
12-23-06, 05:21 PM
I vote against any tie to Corvette because doing so would only diminish and exploit what is GM's most iconic trademark. Go ahead and give us a car that's powerful, fuel efficient, and fun to drive daily, but leave the Corvette association out of the mix. As for V6 power - there's no doubt that a six banger can deliver very robust acceleration and performance (remember the '87 Grand National?). I'd probably be interested in this vehicle as a daily commuter if GM does this the right way, but I won't give it any consideration at all if GM fails to protect the Corvette badge approriately.

Back9
12-23-06, 05:33 PM
If the brainiacs at GM had any sense, they'd be thinking about going in the other direction. I mean, what are they smoking? They put out feelers to see how we might react to a V6 Vette -- what's wrong a V8, V10, or V12 that dishes out 1,000 horses?

What if they could offer a 1k HP brute and still maintain the reliability offered by the LS1/LS2 platform? Think about it!

Back9
12-23-06, 05:37 PM
Norseman, shame on you! You know full well that guy didn't know how to drive his Vette!!!

mylotcat
12-23-06, 06:17 PM
When they bring the Camaro back, let it have the V6. Why mess with the Corvette, which remains a profitable and iconic star in the GM fleet?

Also, anyone know why the vette V8 designers go with 2 valves per cylinder (pushrod) instead of 4 (OHC)?? ;shrug

Dave

hoosierdaddy
12-23-06, 08:04 PM
Read my lips; V-8

Norseman
12-24-06, 09:39 PM
When they bring the Camaro back, let it have the V6. Why mess with the Corvette, which remains a profitable and iconic star in the GM fleet?

Also, anyone know why the vette V8 designers go with 2 valves per cylinder (pushrod) instead of 4 (OHC)?? ;shrug

Dave
Yes, it's cheaper & less complicated, but it gets the job done. There was a 4 valve vette though, remember. It just cost too much to produce and GM wanted to keep the price reasonable. I think it had overhead cams too.

Evolution1980
12-25-06, 09:39 AM
There was a 4 valve vette though, remember. I think it had overhead cams too.Yup!
Taken from the CAC Tech Center / Model Center (http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/specs/c4/1990/90prod.html)
The major highlight for the 1990 model year was the introduction of the long awaited "King of the Hill" ZR-1 Corvette. The ZR-1 Corvette came equipped with the all aluminum LT5 motor featuring double overhead camshafts, 32 valves, 16 fuel injectors (8 primary, 8 secondary) creating 375 hp and 370 lb-ft of torque.

onefast95vette
12-25-06, 10:15 AM
The Corvette is America's priemiere and time honored sports car and I have loved and owned them since I was 22. I was radically ****ed off enough with the Z-06s having a trunk, and (even worse) the 2005s having open headlights. If they put a 6 cyl in there, regardless of performance toys, they might as well make it a friggin' Honda and call Corvette history. Let's move forward with this beautiful mechanical work of art, not back. The day they put a techno-pop bullsh*t 6 cyl in a 'Vette is the day I sell mine and buy a Ferrari.

onefast95vette
12-25-06, 11:22 AM
300 HP stock is admirable, but it still isn't a Corvette. Call it something else.

slong
12-25-06, 02:31 PM
I have to disagree with Slong about the Grand National those Buick turbo's blue up a lot and resale value sucked; but now a days turbo's are much more reliable and a V-6 turbo might not be such a bad idea. I drive a 2004 Subaru STi turbo and it rocks no perceptible lag. This is my every day driver my parking lot at work is no place for a Corvette. This summer as I was driving home in my little 4 banger I found myself behind a black C-5, 6-speed at a stoplight. He had after market pipes and it really looked and sounded sharp. When the light changed he took off like a bat out of hell, and I thought what the heck and floored it; I stayed right on his ass till the next light as he maxed out

Like I said well built "modified" GN. I think we all know about the pre-dawn Buick V6. Today’s technology in a V6 is a little different.

blackvette2003
12-26-06, 11:44 PM
V-8 all the way! Corvettes are special, no way can an entry level V-6 be put in the same class as our babies.....Just my opinion!

onefast95vette
12-27-06, 07:20 AM
Your opinion is carried by most of us, Blackvette, V-8 to the death! The day I hear a 'Vette sounding like an overpowered lawn mower is the day our tradition dies. Nothing screams like a stroked V-8 with open hookers!

psycho
01-01-07, 06:39 PM
Only if the V6 could pump out 700 HP, and 0-60 in 3.6 seconds!!

No, I guess it must be a V8!

hoosierdaddy
01-01-07, 09:50 PM
V-8 all the way. . . .

Could of had a V-8

jay daley
03-07-07, 12:18 PM
No one said it was a Corvette, guys! I'm in favor of anything which GM can do to breathe new life into a venerabl old American corporation. I think I'd bite the bullet and call it a Corvair II (joke) or a (seriously!)Chaparel. So you pay Jim Hall a licensing fee, you get a cute little mascot out of the deal and a boat load of Chevy performance nostalgia without treading on the Corvetts's toes.

hoosierdaddy
03-11-07, 09:51 AM
How about a "Corvair Too"! Or a Chevy Also? Just screwing around. . . . . .

More power to them but I still think the CORVETTE needs to remain a V-8

kgelliott
04-09-07, 11:05 AM
V 8 only or call it something else!

Eddie 70
08-25-07, 09:30 PM
If it does not have a V8, lets call it something else. Make sure it has nothing to do with the corvette heritage.

nasajack
09-04-07, 02:00 PM
Lets ask the question...

How would you feel if that car parked next to you, or was invited, at an only Corvette show? :ohnoes

For me thats an ikky feeling having a car where its' not wanted. The 'purity' of the Corvette name, to include Stingray, would forever be diluted. ;squint:

Sh_tcan the idea of a V6 Vette, or Stingray, or whatever you want to call it...and all it really is, and ends up being in the long run, is caving in to the 'latest flavor of the day' mentality to make a fast buck! :puke

air1jpg
09-04-07, 02:03 PM
Couple of things occur to me:

1) Desparate times call for desparate measures. If GM goes down the "tcherlit", so goes the Vette.

2) With a pseudo Sting Ray out there, how much would the value of the real McCoy be enhanced? Would it help or hinder?


It would definetly hinder the Corevette!!:bash
I think if a cheaper V6 Corevette were available, you would see so many of them on the road that it would "cheapen" the real McCoy and owning a real Corevette will no longer be special.

It's kind of what happend to the Mustang in the 70's and 80's when Ford used that turd 2.3L 4cyl engine. :puke

67vet
09-04-07, 02:21 PM
Did it help or hurt the Camaro to have small engines in them? What is the purpose of spending all the money on the frame and transmission/rearend if you are going to put a V6 in it. So, you use lighter less technically advanced parts and materials in the V6 Vette. What do you end up with..... you know the answer to that. It will be less of a Vette. Maybe a Che vette. Hope not

hoosierdaddy
09-04-07, 05:15 PM
Maybe a Cheap-Vette but give me the real thing with a V-8

Marlar
09-05-07, 06:17 AM
This has been an interesting and long lived thread. But seriously, the Vette can be only what it is unless it goes the way of the TBird (or is that Do Do bird). I think the value of my '65 327 and '06 Z06 would go thru the roof if a lessor engine was in a new version of the marque. but I wouldn't buy one.........:puke

nasajack
09-05-07, 06:19 AM
Maybe it will look like this!! :boogie:bash

jay daley
09-05-07, 08:28 AM
You guys have made some good observations about brand dilution and I think Chevy is painfully aware of that. However, a 270 HP V6 in a mid engined two seater would have the same power to weight ratio as my C5. And, I repeat, so as not to dilute the Corvette brand call it a Chaparral (it's a "c" word with some Chevy history).

hoosierdaddy
09-06-07, 10:10 AM
Lot of good points here well taken for sure; but I say again give me the V-8, nothing else should be in a Corvette; unless it was an original 53, 54, and I think that was it wasn't it? I was thinking 55 was the first year for the V-8, correct me if I am wrong :confused If they want a V-6 or even a 4 cylinder maybe GM needs to revive the Corvair-ette. :L It's been a while since the roll over problems and with todays technolgy that is not even an issue; maybe even make this a mid-engine or change it to a front engine model; the VW Bug did it.

Just my 2 cents worth for what's worth and maybe nothing!

Bill :w

Bummer
09-14-07, 07:00 PM
What are your thoughts on this? Should the Corvette remain V8 powered only, or would a V6 version be ok since the Corvette started out with a V6 back in 1953? Rob




I thought GM already has a little engine Corvette (style) car with the Saturn Sky and the Pontiac Solstice. Yuk!

I only want a V8 in a Corvette ..... the bigger the better. 600hp BB all aluminum in a 2700lb. car for about $40k, that should do it !

Fred
Ohio

nasajack
09-17-07, 06:44 AM
What are your thoughts on this? Should the Corvette remain V8 powered only, or would a V6 version be ok since the Corvette started out with a V6 back in 1953? Rob




I thought GM already has a little engine Corvette (style) car with the Saturn Sky and the Pontiac Solstice. Yuk!

I only want a V8 in a Corvette ..... the bigger the better. 600hp BB all aluminum in a 2700lb. car for about $40k, that should do it !

Fred
Ohio


:beerI agree with Fred! Lets see if it goes kinda like this:

I have the choice of receiving a vehicle, at the mimimum mind you!...with 400 horsepower, on a chassis perfectly balanced and tuned out with a transmission at the rear (and get this, a vehicle only weighing in at 3200 pounds), starting at a price most foreign pop tart POS's with fart can exhaust (and a few domestic) with only a 4 and 6 cylinder. :chuckle

The shape? No other car is more recognizable...no matter the 'generation'...than our beloved Corvette! It says alot when a 4 or 5 year old can recognize the car and no other! To see those little eyes pop open as you pass by is such a treat! :rotfl

To boot, be able to compete, if not beat, most foreign (and some domestic) exotic V8 and V10's at a pretty close to base sticker MSRP of about $42,000 and not $400,000. Send me to that dealership anytime! And make mine a Corvette! :upthumbs

eddonjan
09-17-07, 04:16 PM
V8 only!

hoosierdaddy
09-18-07, 07:48 PM
Again V-8 only. . . . . . . . . . .

Bill :w

wishuwerehere82
09-19-07, 01:38 PM
Last week Time magazine had a list of the 50 worst cars in history.
The 1980 305 California emissions Corvette was on that list.
It flopped because it was severely underpowered, unlike it's 350 coumterpart.
Imagine what a flop a V6 Vette would be in the American market. It might just be the death nell for the Corvette.
Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

Topless_Ruby
09-19-07, 05:00 PM
It was good for the first two years, why not..........................

Because the Corvette almost died in those first two years.
Thank god Zora talked GM into a V8

Look what happened to Ford and the remake of the T-Bird, Now if they had put a V8 in that car it would have been something.

hoosierdaddy
09-20-07, 10:05 AM
I agee and again I must say; I COULD HAVE HAD A V-8 Make mine a V-8 for sure!
Bill :w

minifridge1138
09-20-07, 10:22 AM
Actually, Ford's new thunderbird had a V8.
3.8 Liter with 280 hp and 286 ft lb.
It cost $40,000 and weighed 3,700 pounds.
It was underpowered.
For the same cost, you could have gotten a Corvette.

I am not against a V6 corvette, as long as the V8 does not go away.
I miss all of the engine options that used to exist.

Don't forget, that the Corvette was born with a 235 cubic inch straight 6 and exposed headlights. I consider a 1953 corvette to be just as much a corvette as a 1967 tri-power.

Would everyone be as upset if GM was considering adding a V-10 or a V-12 option and generating 850 hp?

jay daley
09-20-07, 10:25 AM
How about a Northstar V12 from that Cadillac show car?


Actually, Ford's new thunderbird had a V8.
3.8 Liter with 280 hp and 286 ft lb.
It cost $40,000 and weighed 3,700 pounds.
It was underpowered.
For the same cost, you could have gotten a Corvette.

I am not against a V6 corvette, as long as the V8 does not go away.
I miss all of the engine options that used to exist.

Don't forget, that the Corvette was born with a 235 cubic inch straight 6 and exposed headlights. I consider a 1953 corvette to be just as much a corvette as a 1967 tri-power.

Would everyone be as upset if GM was considering adding a V-10 or a V-12 option and generating 850 hp?

Topless_Ruby
09-20-07, 10:50 AM
Actually, Ford's new thunderbird had a V8.
3.8 Liter with 280 hp and 286 ft lb.
It cost $40,000 and weighed 3,700 pounds.
It was underpowered.
For the same cost, you could have gotten a Corvette.


Wups... My mistake, ;shrug
The last info that I had on the Thunderbird (Not being a Ford guy) was when they showed the concept car at the Oshkosh Airventure show in 98 or 99. The Ford representative at the time said that it was only going to be offered with a V6 automatic. No V8, We of course tried to convince them of the error of their ways. It might be that lots of other people did the same as and for once they listened.

minifridge1138
09-20-07, 11:28 AM
It's no problem. Personally i think the thunderbird was too big and underpowered. The trunk was 2 feet too long.

That is my fear about a V6 Corvette. Any "slow" corvette would give the rest a bad reputation. If they could get a V6 to perform the way the base V8 does (and be about $8k less), boost the base V8 to the Z06, and boost the Z06 to something I can't even imagine, then I would be very happy.

It isn't just what they do, it is how well they do it.

Topless_Ruby
09-20-07, 11:42 AM
That is my fear about a V6 Corvette. Any "slow" corvette would give the rest a bad reputation.


My sentiments exactly.
I remember the bad reputations some of the manufacturers got when they were putting underpowered engines in some of the muscle car bodies in the 70’s.
Like putting a 318 Auto in a Cuda (Can you say wimp-mobile) :bash

hoosierdaddy
09-20-07, 02:59 PM
Still make mine a V-8

Bill :w

Phill
10-30-07, 11:06 AM
Well i voted NO cause i couldnt find the, HELL NO, option. id say sure put a v6 in that car just dont call it a corvette.

grestmit
11-13-07, 06:48 PM
http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/images/design/front/kappa.jpg


In February 2006, Motor Trend published a short article about the Corvette Sting Ray coming back as a V6 powered version of the Kappa platform.

They wrote:



Full Article: http://www.motortrend.com/future/concept_cars/112_0602_chevrolet_kappa_sting_ray/index.html

The rumors are once again getting much stronger!

What are your thoughts on this? Should the Corvette remain V8 powered only, or would a V6 version be ok since the Corvette started out with a V6 back in 1953? God, I really hope not. It would take so much away from what the built up reputation of what the Vette is suppose to be, A true American sports car with muscle. I dont want a Vette to compete with the rice burners, I want it to eat em.

Victory Red C6
11-13-07, 07:24 PM
With a 240hp V6, 6-speed, RWD this little "Chevy Solstice" would make an interesting car. Put a turbo on it and boost it up to 300hp and it would be VERY fun to drive.

But IT'S NOT A CORVETTE! It should not be referenced in the same category. They are two completely different platforms. So keep the naming separate.

MHO

Still would have more power then the late 70's and early 80's Corvettes. If it has Corvette badging on it,it is a Corvette. It is not the customer, fans, or others that determine what is or is not a Corvette, it is the Manufacturer. As much as we may like it or hate it, it is the way it is.

Bummer
11-13-07, 07:28 PM
Still would have more power then the late 70's and early 80's Corvettes. If it has Corvette badging on it,it is a Corvette. It is not the customer, fans, or others that determine what is or is not a Corvette, it is the Manufacturer. As much as we may like it or hate it, it is the way it is.



We'll decide what's a Corvette when we decide whether or not to buy it.

Fred

roger
11-14-07, 10:54 AM
We don't want a corvair having a 4 cylinder either the first corvair had a blue flame six in it too.:ohnoes

hoosierdaddy
11-14-07, 09:06 PM
No likey myself!!!

ladams
11-23-07, 08:33 PM
I could get over the fact that it was a V6 easier than the fact that it doesn't even start to resemble a true sting-ray. At the very least, if they need to soil the name, try to give it a bit of a believable "retro" look.

Hib Halverson
11-24-07, 11:08 AM
I've long hoped this thread would die but it won't so....

I'd like to try and skew it, at least, in a more relavant direction.

Take a look at what's happening our in Europe with diesels in passenger vehicles. Because the European Union has different exhaust emissions standards for diesels than does the United States for diesel-powered passenger cars, the development of true, high-performance cars powered by turbocharged diesels is at hand in the E.U.

So, forget a V6 Vette.

How about a turbo diesel V8 in a 2015 Corvette which makes 400hp and 650 lb./ft torque while getting 15-20% better fuel economy than does an 08?

Evolution1980
11-24-07, 11:35 AM
I've long hoped this thread would die but it won't so....

I'd like to try and skew it, at least, in a more relavant direction.

Take a look at what's happening our in Europe with diesels in passenger vehicles. Because the European Union has different exhaust emissions standards for diesels than does the United States for diesel-powered passenger cars, the development of true, high-performance cars powered by turbocharged diesels is at hand in the E.U.

So, forget a V6 Vette.

How about a turbo diesel V8 in a 2015 Corvette which makes 400hp and 650 lb./ft torque while getting 15-20% better fuel economy than does an 08?Along those lines and likely skewing this thread even further, let's not forget the diesel that won recently won LeMans! Here's just one (http://www.terrapass.com/blog/posts/2006/06/audi-diesel-wins-lemans-changes-perceptions.html) of many articles / writeups.

hoosierdaddy
11-24-07, 06:38 PM
I would rather see a diesel than a V-6, just not sure I could stand to see a Corvette smoke and the rear facia & tail lights covered :puke with an oil film. But again lesser of the two evils :bash

Just my opinion, no letters or calls please, :ohnoes

Bill :w

Evolution1980
11-24-07, 06:50 PM
Just my opinion, no letters or calls please, :ohnoesAs a Moderator of these forums I have the obligation to inform you that based on your repeated comments in this thread that you are now on DOUBLE Secret Probation! :L