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*89x2*
02-18-06, 05:52 PM
It may be a bit early to discuss (for the 2009 model) BUT... If / when it comes to market, what - if anything do you think should be done to this one by Callaway Cars ??



and, would you consider buying one???
From www.automobilemag.com (http://www.automobilemag.com) :



Just to prove that German automakers aren't the only ones who plan products based on what their rivals have done, GM comes out with the Camaro--a retro-styled, two-door coupe with a honking big V-8 that harks back to the glory days of Motown. If that sounds familiar, that's exactly what Ford did with the Mustang. Hot on the heels of the Pony car's success, DaimlerChrysler has dusted off the Challenger and Chevy has produced a new Camaro, a nameplate that was more recently interred. The muscular Camaro concept is pure '69 updated, with the kind of subtle detailing that makes it look up-to-the-minute. The interior is very glitzy, and pays homage to the original, even down to the GM seat belt insignia and the twin instrument pods.

The car is 186.2 inches long and rides on a 110.5-inch wheelbase. The wheels are 21s at the front and 22s at the rear, shod with monster 275/30 front and 305/30 rear tires, which should be able to corral the 400 horses from the LS2 6.0-liter V-8 engine powering through a six-speed manual transmission. The show car has a cobbled together chassis with an all-independent suspension, but if it makes it into production, it will use the so-called Zeta Lite architecture that will be shared with Holden in Australia. The good news for GM is that the architecture--while hardly cutting edge--is far more sophisticated than the live-axle Mustang. Insiders say that a $20,000 base model production car could use an inexpensive V-8 (the LS2 would come in a costlier model), so a V-6 version would be offered only to make the car easier to insure. The real car would have smaller wheels, but the overall diameter of the tires wouldn't be much changed. GM vice-chairman and product czar Bob Lutz apparently loves it and joked on the show stand "all I have to do is persuade this man"--referring to GM CEO Rick Wagoner--"to pay for it."

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LT4man
02-18-06, 06:12 PM
I was at the Chicago Auto Show on Thursday, 2-16-06. Sent GM my personal comments about the Camaro thru the internet hook-ups that Chevy had in the exhibit.

Received an answer from Chevy on Friday morning!

Overall, I like the car. Could take some tweaking before being put into production.

#1 they have to make it affordable. Sell it to the masses and bury the Mustang and Challenger!

Save The Wave! :w

SurfnSun
02-18-06, 07:11 PM
that is a sweet ride...can't wait for it to come out.

*89x2*
02-18-06, 09:45 PM
was at the Chicago Auto Show on Thursday, 2-16-06. Sent GM my personal comments about the Camaro thru the internet hook-ups that Chevy had in the exhibit.

Received an answer from Chevy on Friday morning!

Overall, I like the car. Could take some tweaking before being put into production.

#1 they have to make it affordable. Sell it to the masses and bury the Mustang and Challenger!

Save The Wave! :w






that is a sweet ride...can't wait for it to come out.

LT4Man & Surf - sounds like a bunch of enthusiasum for the new F-Body (will it still be called an F-bod. ? :confused )

Anyways, Would you be interested in a Callaway enhanced version if / when it comes out??

It was interesting to see they (GM) still considers the V6 about the only way to get them built - insurance rates and all - The formula works for the Stangs and it seems the Saleens & Roushes of the world sell about evey one thay build up :cool


Maybe I should make this a multiple poll on what you would like to see in it :confused

Thanks for the comments - Keep 'em coming! :m

*89x2*
02-18-06, 09:58 PM
Poll Added to the top - You can vote for as many choices as you wish - Thanks :m

LT4man
02-18-06, 10:09 PM
O.K. I voted! :)

Unanimously, for now! :L

Save The Wave! :w

*89x2*
02-21-06, 07:40 PM
O.K. I voted! :)

Unanimously, for now! :L

Save The Wave! :w


...but would you buy one??? And how much should this car cost???? :m

BTW, GM pulled the plug today on the poorly selling GTO today :( After 2006, it will be no more...

FX GS
02-21-06, 08:58 PM
that is a sweet ride

Really?.............I think it has a very masculine look.

90Callaway
02-21-06, 10:48 PM
Being an owner of both a '69 and '70 Camaro I'm totally disappointed in GM's vision of the new 5th Gen Camaro. Once again GM design misses by a mile. They should hire the designers of the Dodge Challenger concept. Look at pics if you haven't seen it. I won't post it here since it's a Mopar.

Or they should have gone with a design closer to the rendering done by a talented kid named Kris Horton.

http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0312phr_fifthgen_04_z.jpg

Jeroenvgfn
02-22-06, 02:13 AM
http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0312phr_fifthgen_04_z.jpg

Isn't this the concept version designed by Chip Foose ??
I like the retro look to be honest, I hope the C7 Corvette will have a retro style too.

90Callaway
02-22-06, 08:17 PM
Isn't this the concept version designed by Chip Foose ??


No it isn't. Check out this guys work. He's got a real talent.

http://www.carsbykris.com/news/

Latest News and Media Exposure
September 2003 Popular Hot Rodding "The Fifth Element" (http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0309phr_5camaro) My concept for a retro styled 5th Gen Camaro http://www.carsbykris.com/news/0309phr-5camaro02_s.jpghttp://www.carsbykris.com/news/0309phr-5camaro01_s.jpg December 2003 Popular Hot Rodding "The Fifth Element - Reloaded" (http://popularhotrodding.com/features/0312PHR_Fifth_Reloaded)An update of my 5th Gen Camaro concepthttp://www.carsbykris.com/news/0312phr_fifthgen_01_s.jpghttp://www.carsbykris.com/news/0312phr_fifthgen_02_s.jpg

Brangeta
02-23-06, 10:27 PM
It would be kind of hard to give an Aerobody to such a brick of a car, but if Callaway could do it, I'd like to see it!

*89x2*
02-24-06, 03:44 PM
No it isn't. Check out this guys work. He's got a real talent.

Pretty cool man! Thanks for sharing :m

*89x2*
03-04-07, 02:09 PM
TTT ^^^ The info in this thread may be of interest to our newer folks - Enjoy! :beer

Brangeta
03-04-07, 03:47 PM
I'll be considering the new Camaro, but more as a daily driver and not a tire eating machine. I'm thinking right now....

daily driver:
http://images.motortrend.com/photo_gallery/112_0703_01l+chevrolet_camaro_convertible_concept+left_front_view.jpg

weekend fun:
http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m149/CallawayC8/e690.jpg

track car:


http://www.pistonheads.com/fastcars/ginetta/GinettaLHS.jpg

:Steer

Oh, and yes, the car that got me obsessed with cars... which makes me like the above car a LOT.
http://www.speedracer.com/media/pic_mach5.gif

CallawayC8
03-07-07, 12:49 PM
I have to say, I love the new Camaro much better than the Mustang, and its not because of the Chevy Ford thing. To me, the Mustang will reignite all of the people that wanted one before, much like the T bird, but like the T bird which was a modernized cleaned up '55, once all of the people that originally wanted it get it, it might taper off in sales rather quickly. The Challenger is a great study in recreating an old car as well, but it is nothing that Foose could not have done.

The Camaro on the other hand, takes many of the styling cues from the past, but integrates them with a fresh, modern flare. The Ford boys instantly recognized this, and came out with their modernized version for 09, which sports a new lower profile front clip, and finally the totally redone Stang, which looks more like its modern Chevy counterpart.

The main thing I see going wrong with all of these cars, is their size. The original pony car was a success because of the package. The package is the overall dimension of the car, and the early ones were very tight. This is what led to the interest of young buyers, because the car was not overly large, it was light and efficient, and it could be nicely powered due to the light weight. Nowadays, young people still buy the exact same package, but we don't build it anymore.

They buy sport compacts, and hot them up. I am surprised that the auto makers don't realize this trend. I think the new Camaro needs to be the same size as a 69, or more like the original 82 Mustang, which aside from the Pinto derived Mustang II, was the best selling generation ever. Look at how many 5.0's were hot rodded, loved, and still raced today. That is how you build an icon. You introduce it to youth, and it will grow with them.

My buddy at GM design shares this same philosophy, and the car was possibly going to be built on the Saturn/Solstice architecture (stretched), but the suspension geometry did not allow for it. This was too bad, as a small block will fit, and the package would have been right on. I saw the Camaro concept car in the studio, and it was HUGE. Seeing it next to other cars makes it even larger. It is so big, it will scare away the real pony car buyers into the stuff they buy today: Accords, Jettas, Tiburons, etc.

Sorry for my rant.
Anthony

C-4 Now
03-07-07, 01:21 PM
Not sure what I think of new Camaro yet? If Callaway does it, would like it to be available Like C-8, price would have to be reachable. Have long Camaro history including 67 RS-SS, 68 RS, late production red/red 69 Z-28, 74 LT-Z-28 with very strong professional built drivetrain and one of first 1985 TPI IROC's in area. Have not owned 93-02 style but have drove several and never quite bit because of size and weight vs available interior room. When the new Camaro gets here a test drive will be in the plans. If we like, a convertible might be a choice for wife and a little Callaway tweaking would be nice. :beer

Brangeta
03-07-07, 01:37 PM
I'm disappointed with the size and weight of the new Camaro as well. At least in concept form. The concept in person seems slightly too large, but for production it may be resized to a more appropriate size.

Here's a comparison of my 1:18 scale models:
http://members.aol.com/speedbbb/camaromodels.jpg

Here's a real life comparison:
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g58/Blade75769/IMG_0876.jpg