View Full Version : Attention: California Corvette Owners

02-08-04, 10:19 PM
From Hib Halverson:

California's environmental jihadists are at it again...trying to force older Corvettes off the road.

Last year, right after the modification of SB708 to eliminate repeal of the 30-year rolling exemption to the Smog Check and that bill's signing by then-Gov. Davis, many people who watch environmental legislation as it applies to car enthusiasts, predicted that the liberal environmentalists who control the California legislature and various administrative bodies, such as the California Air Resources Board, would not give up. They were right!

A recent public meeting held by the California Air Resources Board (CARB) revealed many proposals which will have direct, negative impact on owners of older Corvettes and other enthusiast cars along with vehicles owned by lower income persons. The proposals will focus significant regulatory attention on emissions reductions from older vehicles.

The Specialty Equipment Market Association (SEMA) maintains that such proposals are based upon a flawed computer model, erroneous assumptions and the use of biased data that is unfairly and illogically skewed by the emissions of a small number of vehicles in any model year.
Now...are you sitting down? If not, do that first.

The measures the CARB and the CA legislature want to become law include stricter standards for the Smog Check emissions-testing program. This means that not only will your 60s or early 70s Corvette have to be tested to verify it meets emissions standards, but your car may have to meet a standard more stringent than the one it had to meet when they it manufactured. Also, get ready for a new round of requirements forcing you to install "retrofit devices." Don't know what a "retrofit device" is? Well, remember back in the mid-70s? California tried to force retrofit of emissions devices to older vehicles not originally equipped with them? The program was a failure and it will be a failure again if CARB tries to implement it.

These stricter standards will apply to newer vehicles as well. Expect stricter standards for just about anything older than five model years. CARB wants to do this because it will increase the amount of older vehicles forced off the road without making CARB and the CA legislature address the controversial political issues of mandatory scrappage (ie: confiscation) of vehicles which are not considered by most California voters to be "old cars."

But wait....there's more. CARB wants an expansion of the "enhanced Smog Check" program to include more areas and to new vehicle types, such as diesels and all-wheel drive cars and trucks. It wants annual (versus the, current, every two years) testing of vehicles more than 15 years old (*that means everything older than 1989*). CARB wants the use of roadside remote-sensing devices, vastly expanded vehicle-scrappage programs and last, but certainly not least, our friends at CARB once again want to eliminate the 30-model-year rolling exemption from the Smog Check which is currently allowed for cars built prior to the 1975 model year.

SEMA presented formal comments which described the inherent flaws in these proposals and offered alternatives which would yield real, verifiable and cost-effective emissions reductions without causing unnecessary harm to vehicle hobbyists and low-income motorists.

At this point, it is unknown how SEMA's comments were taken by the CARB. I'm sure we'll hear more about this issue as 2004 goes on, but...mark my words....if even half of these proposals end up as law, some of those owning older Corvettes in California are going to be either be scrapping them, selling them out of state or donating them to museums and any of those choices are the objective of CARB and the environmentalists who control state government. Don't kid yourself, these people hate cars. They believe significant political capital will come the more of these regulations can be put in place. They believe continued and increasing regulation of motor vehicle emissions is easier to accomplish politically than regulation of industrial, utility or other non-vehicular sources of emissions.

Now some might say that the recent election of Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger will prevent this type of regulation getting very far. I say...don't be too complacent. Schwarzenegger is a fiscal conservative but a social and environmental moderate. He needs a ton of bargaining capital to trade with the liberal-controlled legislature if he wants to further his fiscal agenda. My guess is, those of these proposals which will not cost the state a great deal to put in place will be supported by Schwarzenegger so....if you don't like the idea of this significant change to California exhaust emissions law as it applies to older vehicles, NOW is the time to start writing the CARB, your state legislators and the Governor.

Lastly, those reading this outside California might be saying, "Oh this is just another one of Halverson's right-wing, alarmist posts about the Smog Check." Well...keep in mind that when it comes to motor vehicle emissions regulation which affects car enthusiasts, California sets the pace. Take a look at how many other states now test the emissions of older vehicles in the same manner as does CA? Take a look at how many other states want old cars off the road, as does CA.

02-09-04, 12:56 AM
Yet again, the tail wags the dog.

We have emissions testing here in Vancouver, required every second year for new cars, every year for 10 year old cars but our legislation isn't nearly as nasty as California's rules. There's no retrofitting or scrapping laws here. So, if any of you California types are worried the government might try to scrap your car, you can give your Vettes to me! I'd particularly like to 'help' someone with a later solid axle, like 61 or 62.... :D

02-09-04, 01:06 PM
Thanks for that, I think. I don't know what to do first get sick or move.

02-09-04, 03:09 PM
:( That is rediculous...

02-09-04, 10:15 PM
Ken this sounds real bad for you can't wait for Ma.:cry to adopt the same mind set they have their head right up calfornias a*s can't wait :( :hb :pukesteve :w

02-09-04, 11:31 PM
I already figure this is the last year it'll be licensed for the road Steve. It wouldn't meet any EPA standards by a long shot. :eyerole

Oh, it might be a clean burn if I keep it tuned, and what gearhead in his right mind wouldn't keep it tuned, but it don't mean a thing to those in charge. :hb


02-10-04, 01:10 AM
It seems to me that the real problem is that where California blazes the way in regulation (some would say, over-regulation), if it does not meet substantive and vocal public opposition, the rest of the nation will eventually follow suit.

It's a shame, really. :(

02-10-04, 01:17 PM
Over regulation is the only wayto put it. I would have to agree that these people really do hate cars. Please keep them in CA, we do not need them on this coast.
Good luck to all of you in fighting the liberal environmentalists.

Craig -1965
02-10-04, 04:49 PM
Well guess this needs to be sent to Jay Leno, he helped us the last time. We all know he LOVES old classics.............

02-10-04, 04:56 PM
As long as CA keeps putting socialist liberal Demo trash in the state legislature and guberner chair (prior of Ahnold of course), would one have to conclude that is how the popular majority wants it to be?

02-10-04, 09:19 PM
Many people seem somewhat complacent about this but it is a very real threat. Every year right before my registration becomes due on my 69 Elcamino I receive a letter from the Bureau of Automotive Repair (BAR) asking me to voluntarily retire my “higher-emitting vehicle” and that they would give me $500. for it. (it’s worth ten times that amount) and every year I rip it up and throw it away in disgust. I’m thankful that it is still smog exempt. But say for example my 84 Vette can’t pass the more strict emission standards. If a vehicle does not meet the emission requirements in California you cant register it and I know for a fact that if you have an unregistered vehicle parked in you driveway for a short amount of time that they can actually tow the vehicle from you property regardless if it has non operational status or not. So the notion of your vehicle being confiscated is also very real. All I can say is that they can have my Vette when they pry it from my cold dead hands :mad :puke

02-12-04, 12:23 AM
...I know for a fact that if you have an unregistered vehicle parked in you driveway for a short amount of time that they can actually tow the vehicle from you property regardless if it has non operational status or not. So the notion of your vehicle being confiscated is also very real.

02-12-04, 06:48 PM
More so than ever I am convinced that we this nation will be heading to a civil war as radicals have taken over the this experiment of democracy that our founding fathers conceived.

02-12-04, 07:02 PM
glad i dont live in california my impala would be no more!


02-16-04, 04:53 AM
As I mentioned in my reply when Hib posted in the C5 forum, the CARB will have a problem if they attempt to retroactively apply any new regulation. Nothing keeps them from passing new regulations for new model cars. The real threat that Hib raises is if the CARB gets real zealous and passes regulations that prevent neat cars from being registered because they can not pass the latest emission regulation that CARB has enacted. An example of this already exists with regard to Diesel passenger cars. CARB has enacted an opacity test for exhaust (e.g. no observable soot) that can not be met until 2006 when Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel fuel is available. This threat is not limited to just the Peoples Republic of California; any state that follows the PRC's lead (I do not know the exact number, but there are approximately 5 or 6 other states), will pose problems for its residents.

Jack Martin
02-16-04, 10:32 AM
Nothing that happens in California surprises me. If you look at what happened this past weekend with marriages, I am amazed at the people in charge in that state. I am not trying to stir up a can of worms but It is hard for me to belive the majority of people in Califorina support what goes on there but at the same time these are individuals that are elected by the majority.

02-18-04, 03:05 AM
This is a bit off topic, but if memory serves, the whole thing about gay marriage started in a state other than California. Yes, we have our share (maybe more than our share) of "special" people; but then again, if you can afford the rent, no one is stopping you from visiting (or staying).

02-25-04, 09:29 PM
It is very sad indeed that we have to constantly fight the state of California on this and many other issues.

Ugg now we need a "NRA" for cars.... I get tired of being called "extremist, radical right, and "wealthy" :)


02-25-04, 09:35 PM
... we need a "NRA" for cars
That is the basis for SEMA (http://www.sema.org/), isn't it? ;)

02-26-04, 12:22 PM
Thanks for the one up. Want to say more, but too upseting.