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z06nutss405
01-02-04, 01:44 AM
anyone got any photochop thing of what they think it will look like

Last Ride
01-02-04, 05:45 AM
Not a photochop, but I would guess something like this with smoother lines:

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com/media/news/concept.car/cadillac.cien/cadillac.cien.f34.500.jpg

z06nutss405
01-02-04, 04:08 PM
i always thought the cien would become something like a new corvettte or just a new supercar

z06nutss405
01-02-04, 08:22 PM
i know this is obviously a dupe but here is a very good one except the for the rims
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/zerothread?id=721993

z06nutss405
01-02-04, 09:46 PM
anyone got any estimated specs also

SlowRide
01-02-04, 11:26 PM
Here is another version of concept Blue-Devil with a Grand Sport twist.

http://www.digitalcorvettes.com/photopost/data/655/1c6_supervette2.jpg

z06nutss405
01-02-04, 11:45 PM
excellent but i think it loks more like a z06

SlowRide
01-03-04, 12:04 AM
Here are the other two renderings by Jim McClain for the Blue Devil.....(the blue one is from your CF Forum link).

http://www.newmedia-online.com/C6/bluedevil.jpg

http://www.newmedia-online.com/C6/reddevil.jpg

z06nutss405
01-03-04, 12:06 AM
i like it cept some parts are i little much and others look too much like the base c6 but im shure the designers at chevy wont let us down

22229stingray81
01-03-04, 02:53 AM
Huge improvment!! Now THOSE are corvettes.. the GS one is my favorite.


-Tatortot

LongTimer
01-03-04, 01:37 PM
The blues and red are more likely to be close to the Z06, IMO (without an oval 427 emblem - yuk). Remember, if produced, the Blue Devil will run $100k. I don't think that means a venture into the middy engineering of the Cien, but it will, most certainly mean a completely unique body design.

Those laying out twice the price of the "base" C6 will not only require the unique performance, they will require immediate differentiation from "lesser" performing vettes. You think few C5 owners wave? ... Blue Devil owners won't even drive on the same streets as other vette owners. We'll see performance and snobbery at it's peak.

Lessons learned from Holden will permit BG to produce more (if ever required) than the four different cars on the same assembly line:
1. Targa
2. Vert
3. Z06 (likely fixed roof and hatch).
4. Blue Devil - if approved as a vette

I can't imagine GM brass approving a Cien type Cad and a Blue Devil vette. This will be interesting.

Last Ride
01-03-04, 03:03 PM
Originally posted by LongTimer
I can't imagine GM brass approving a Cien type Cad and a Blue Devil vette. This will be interesting.

My point was, I don't think we will ever see the Cien from Cadillac. While it was badged as a Cadilla for the shows, and sports Cadillac facias, I think recent talks point more towards the Blue Devil as the sole supercar from GM. Of course, will it ever be produced? Who knows....

Bryan

Last Ride
01-03-04, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by LongTimer
Those laying out twice the price of the "base" C6 will not only require the unique performance, they will require immediate differentiation from "lesser" performing vettes. You think few C5 owners wave? ... Blue Devil owners won't even drive on the same streets as other vette owners. We'll see performance and snobbery at it's peak.

Another thing, when I get mine, I will wave! nevermind that it would cost as much as the house I currently own, lol! I guess I could just wait a few years and pick one up used for half the price.... What about the Mosler design leaning in the direction of the "supervette"?

Bryan

z06nutss405
01-03-04, 03:15 PM
evryone look at dc auto show info

SlowRide
01-03-04, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by LongTimer
The blues and red are more likely to be close to the Z06, IMO (without an oval 427 emblem - yuk). Remember, if produced, the Blue Devil will run $100k. I don't think that means a venture into the middy engineering of the Cien, but it will, most certainly mean a completely unique body design.

Those laying out twice the price of the "base" C6 will not only require the unique performance, they will require immediate differentiation from "lesser" performing vettes. You think few C5 owners wave? ... Blue Devil owners won't even drive on the same streets as other vette owners. We'll see performance and snobbery at it's peak.

Lessons learned from Holden will permit BG to produce more (if ever required) than the four different cars on the same assembly line:
1. Targa
2. Vert
3. Z06 (likely fixed roof and hatch).
4. Blue Devil - if approved as a vette

I can't imagine GM brass approving a Cien type Cad and a Blue Devil vette. This will be interesting.

Remember that the ZR1 option was a $27,000 option (back in '90), pushing the ZR1 into the $60,000 range (some sold for $100,000 and up). The body mods were developed to accept bigger meats to handle the new LT-5. If the 500hp Z06 becomes reality and if the Blue Devil is built (625-675hp???), I would think that Chevy would have to somehow put much larger rear tires on the Vette to hook up. For instance, a 415 ZR1 will roast the tires in 1st and 2nd and it hits well into the 560 SAE hp range at the rear wheels.

SR

z06nutss405
01-03-04, 05:59 PM
when i was talking to a lady who was awnsering questions about the cien (which was beautiful) i asked will they build it she said no, then i said they have to build something like it and she said well
they are working on something called the blue devil corvette which will have similar specs and i said ohh didnt they build a new plant to build there engines and she shook her head and said YES

PS- the show was alot!!! better this year,ALOT

Big Tex
01-07-04, 07:15 PM
Looks too much like a Viper to me...

z06nutss405
01-07-04, 08:39 PM
what looks like a viper those renderings by Jim McClain

Big Tex
01-09-04, 11:23 PM
As for the Caddy super car, I heard that GM came up with this prototype and that the various dividions were fighting over it. For some reason Caddy won, although it is a reach whether we will ever actually see one or not. Attached is the Chevy version that got scratched - called the mosler, I think.

Last Ride
01-10-04, 12:30 AM
Originally posted by Big Tex
As for the Caddy super car, I heard that GM came up with this prototype and that the various dividions were fighting over it. For some reason Caddy won, although it is a reach whether we will ever actually see one or not. Attached is the Chevy version that got scratched - called the mosler, I think.

Mosler is a real car. It is based on the Vette, and is handbuilt. Chevy had nothing to do with that car.

Bryan

Big Tex
01-10-04, 05:57 PM
Then I stand corrected. I had heard that it was basically the same car as the Caddy. Either way, it is a serious ride...

Last Ride
01-10-04, 07:49 PM
Originally posted by Big Tex
Then I stand corrected. I had heard that it was basically the same car as the Caddy. Either way, it is a serious ride...

Indeed it is! Don't get me wrong, if Chebby was to come out with the "Blue Devil", I hope it looks as sexy as the Mosler. When I saw the Mosler, my first thought was, "Man, I hope they make enough of these so I can pick one up used one day!"

Bryan

DRTH VTR
01-17-04, 11:58 AM
Is the Cien mid-engined? The proportions look like it is. I think they should just call it the 'Zora' or the 'Duntov' He always wanted to make a mid-engine Corvette.

z06nutss405
01-17-04, 12:31 PM
Is the Cien mid-engined? The proportions look like it is. I think they should just call it the 'Zora' or the 'Duntov' He always wanted to make a mid-engine Corvette.

Yea the Cien is a MR 750hp V12 but they are not making it and according to a lady at the cien in the dc auto show she said they werent making the cien but an extrememly high performance C6 corvette called the blue devil with similar specs like 625hp and maybe even more, It would be pretty cool it it was mid engined though

Kotzenjunge
01-18-04, 03:21 AM
Indeed it is! Don't get me wrong, if Chebby was to come out with the "Blue Devil", I hope it looks as sexy as the Mosler. When I saw the Mosler, my first thought was, "Man, I hope they make enough of these so I can pick one up used one day!"

Bryan

My first thought was "Hello S7."

EDIT: If the Mosler was made first, then I'll gladly stand corrected. I hadn't heard of the Mosler until reading this thread.

DRTH VTR
01-19-04, 08:48 AM
Yea the Cien is a MR 750hp V12 but they are not making it and according to a lady at the cien in the dc auto show she said they werent making the cien but an extrememly high performance C6 corvette called the blue devil with similar specs like 625hp and maybe even more, It would be pretty cool it it was mid engined though

My question is this: If the Cien is mid-engine and the lady at the auto show says no Cien, but a high performance 'Vette instead, could it be mid-engine?

z06nutss405
01-19-04, 03:32 PM
My question is this: If the Cien is mid-engine and the lady at the auto show says no Cien, but a high performance 'Vette instead, could it be mid-engine?

you know i was thinking about that and it would be pretty cool but she didnt specify on anything like that

LongTimer
01-20-04, 01:34 PM
My point was, I don't think we will ever see the Cien from Cadillac. While it was badged as a Cadilla for the shows, and sports Cadillac facias, I think recent talks point more towards the Blue Devil as the sole supercar from GM. Of course, will it ever be produced? Who knows....

Bryan

I'm not so sure about that Bryan, there seems to be a really big push to give caddy just about anything they want to regain their world class image. They already have two V12s nearing production ready status and they won't fit in the XLR. If they should get the go ahead for a Cien-type middy, Hill would be crazy not to try to make a vette version, if his budget will allow. I fully recognize that this would be very unusual in GM's history, but right now the Lutz pendulum is swinging - a real car guy has tremendous influence at GM. If sales pick up in areas reflecting the Lutz touch, his power increases.

LongTimer
01-20-04, 01:53 PM
Another thing, when I get mine, I will wave! nevermind that it would cost as much as the house I currently own, lol! I guess I could just wait a few years and pick one up used for half the price.... What about the Mosler design leaning in the direction of the "supervette"?

Bryan

GOOD! :w I don't understand why (here in so cal anyway) very few C5ers wave.

I've only seen one Mosler in person. The one I saw is very much a race car that is street legal. Absolutely no refinement. the dash was a mish mash of carbon fiber patterns / scraps. But you asked about direction ... I think the Cien is a near production capable vehicle that is in that direction. Though certainly not derived from the Mosler, the Cien is also a CF monocock design, middy, though much shorter than the Mosler. Actually, the S7 Saleen is VERY close to the Mosler approach ($450k?). I ramble.

If you ask if I think the mosler will be adopted as the supervette, I don't think so, but stranger things have happened.

Although one can hope otherwise, I do really think the production Blue Devil will be remain a front engined, RWD, completely unique bodied, vette with more changes to the chassis. I look forward to reading the next Ford GT shoot out with Porshe, Ferrari, and Blue Devil. I am certain I won't be throwing that magazine across the room when I read the final paragraph of that comparo!

LongTimer
01-20-04, 02:01 PM
Yea the Cien is a MR 750hp V12 but they are not making it and according to a lady at the cien in the dc auto show she said they werent making the cien but an extrememly high performance C6 corvette called the blue devil with similar specs like 625hp and maybe even more, It would be pretty cool it it was mid engined though

I know you are only repeating a statement, but the real status of these projects is not ususally shared with the public and probably not with ladies at auto shows. Cad has two V12s almost ready for production. Do you think they will only be offered in trucks and 4 door STSs (no they won't fit in the XLR)? Maybe. Only time will tell.

But you know, they could build an MB SLR type car by extending the front of the XLR and re body to accomodate the V12. This would be a radical attention getter for cad, but I don't see a vette going in that direction.

Last Ride
01-20-04, 03:27 PM
I know you are only repeating a statement, but the real status of these projects is not ususally shared with the public and probably not with ladies at auto shows. Cad has two V12s almost ready for production. Do you think they will only be offered in trucks and 4 door STSs (no they won't fit in the XLR)? Maybe. Only time will tell.

But you know, they could build an MB SLR type car by extending the front of the XLR and re body to accomodate the V12. This would be a radical attention getter for cad, but I don't see a vette going in that direction.

Isn't one of those V12's supposed to be a twin turbo? As for the other post regarding the Mosler, no, I don't think Chevy would adopt it as the "Blue Devil". I just would like to see the Blue Devil take that direction in styling (with more refinement, of course). When I was a boy, I dreamed of one day owning a "super car" like the Lamborgini Countach or a Ferrari F40. My biggest problem (other than money) was that they weren't American cars. More importantly, they weren't Corvettes! As I got older and learned of the various efforts and desires for a mid-engined Corvette among the brand's elite, I realized I was not alone. With the "Supervette" rumors, my dreams have been reborn. Now they just need to be realized!

Bryan

z06nutss405
01-20-04, 05:07 PM
I know you are only repeating a statement, but the real status of these projects is not ususally shared with the public and probably not with ladies at auto shows. Cad has two V12s almost ready for production. Do you think they will only be offered in trucks and 4 door STSs (no they won't fit in the XLR)? Maybe. Only time will tell.

Im shure they wouldent, but instead of saying no, the women at the show could of said they didnt tell me which is what she said when i asked here about the cien's top speed, this thread is not about the production plans of the cien, it is about the blue devil and maybe they didnt tell her about production plans for the cien, she is technicalliy on the inside maybe she found out on her own, the cien in starting to get old, if they were going to make it they would probably tell people by now or say no they are not going to make it. Why wouldent she know about the blue devil its clearly no big secret, do you think people at gm dont ever look at these sights,or even in magazines why would she lie, if she was going to lie she would say no there is no such idea or car, I don't care what anyone says the facts are that she in on the inside and
weather they told her about it or she found it out herself I think she knows what she is talkin about, i think espn's trip to the auto show did a thing on how the presenters for cars arnt just hot girls to stand next to the car and look pretty, they have to lear alot of stuff and they are professionals :t

ps- you can see they new sts on www.cadillac.com it is awd or rwd with a v8 or v6

UB2 SLOW
01-21-04, 10:18 AM
Here are the other two renderings by Jim McClain for the Blue Devil.....(the blue one is from your CF Forum link).

http://www.newmedia-online.com/C6/bluedevil.jpg

http://www.newmedia-online.com/C6/reddevil.jpg

I really like those. Maybe I smell some after market chances!

z06nutss405
01-21-04, 01:12 PM
that wold be awsome, i dont like the wheels though but the rest is :cool, ohh immagine a lingenfelter c6

74bigblock
01-21-04, 02:12 PM
Yea the Cien is a MR 750hp V12 but they are not making it and according to a lady at the cien in the dc auto show she said they werent making the cien but an extrememly high performance C6 corvette called the blue devil with similar specs like 625hp and maybe even more, It would be pretty cool it it was mid engined though


Correct me if I am wrong, but Aren't "Corvette's" Front Engine only? Wouldn't a mid engine car be a non Corvette? Just a thought. I still agree with you all, it would be cool as all get out.

z06nutss405
01-21-04, 02:26 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but Aren't "Corvette's" Front Engine only? Wouldn't a mid engine car be a non Corvette? Just a thought. I still agree with you all, it would be cool as all get out.

well what ever im shure it will be awsome and it wouldent necessarily be non vette the c5s and c6s are front/mide cuz of the rear trans but it dosent matter that much as long as if has a min of 625hp a 1/4 mile with 11.1 secs or lower (prob. lower) a 0-60 with a max of 3.3 ( also prob. lower) and a slolom of at least 71.5 mph hopefully faster :D

ps- hey bigblock r u enjoying those wallpapers i sent, sorry for the delay :duh

Last Ride
01-21-04, 03:09 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, but Aren't "Corvette's" Front Engine only? Wouldn't a mid engine car be a non Corvette? Just a thought. I still agree with you all, it would be cool as all get out.

Okay, time to split some hairs. In actuality, the C5 (and C6) ARE mid-engine cars by definition. The motor sits far enough back that it is considered to be between the axles thereby making it "mid-engined". As for the traditional thought of a mid-engined car, Zora pushed several variations that never panned out and was said to have always wanted a mid-engined, all wheel drive car. Would it still be a Corvette? You decide....

Bryan

z06nutss405
01-21-04, 03:21 PM
hmm i never hought about if but your right so i guesse it would be cool to see it calssified as a mid engied and i guess it should be but the full engine mostly be in the rear like the cien, hmm i wonder what it would look like ohh im looking at my c6 model and im thinkin man that would look awsome, any real good photoschoopers like to maybe make a nice cien like c6.. pleaze :D

taegdh
01-27-04, 02:38 PM
Bryan
You need to get your terminology staight:

Front engine: As it says Engine up front of driver. (See CORVETTE!)
Mid engine: Engine in back of driver, adhead of rear axle (See Pontiac Fiero)
Rear engine: Engine aft of the rear axle (See Corvair!)

z06nutss405
01-27-04, 04:53 PM
so that is why the vette is front mid because the engine is in front of the driver but in between the axels

Last Ride
01-27-04, 05:15 PM
Bryan
You need to get your terminology staight:

Front engine: As it says Engine up front of driver. (See CORVETTE!)
Mid engine: Engine in back of driver, adhead of rear axle (See Pontiac Fiero)
Rear engine: Engine aft of the rear axle (See Corvair!)


I have been looking for that source from which I made the above-statements. Since I have not been able to find it, I stand corrected! Maybe I need to get some sleep....lol

Bryan

silversport
01-27-04, 06:09 PM
I like 'em!
Bill

TODD L GRIFFITH
01-29-04, 02:59 PM
Well I have to admit, they are beautiful, and I wouldn't mind driving something like them. I do believe that this maybe an accurate peek at what we might expect. For the 427 emblems, I haven't decided if I like their placement, and would prefer to see them on the hood, for old times sake, either side of the cowl. Maybe Blue or Red Devil written in a cool cursive font in its place. Hey no white center stripe too much already.

z06nutss405
01-29-04, 05:15 PM
I would like it to look a little more different from the original c6 but those are pretty nice

Eddie 70
02-12-04, 05:24 PM
The blue version of the DEVIL is an awesome looking machine.

Ol Blue
02-13-04, 02:23 PM
I've been reading with interest at all the speculation about the Blue Devil Corvette and the renderings that have been posted. I can't imagine Chevrolet making a Super Corvette for over $100,000 that still looks like a C6. There may be some slight resemblance, but I think it would be a "hard sell", even with super performance.

Maybe, they have already put out a prototype of what it could be. Take a look at the Daytona Prototype. http://www.raw-footage.com/Rolex24-2004/DP/Boss4/4-0722.html Could it be that they are working out the drivetrain bugs before making a committment to production of a Supercar? I agree that it doesn't look enough like a Corvette though.

However, it seems like GM is finally following Zora's dreams in successfully racing Corvette, and Zora floated a mid-engine many times only to be put down. A mid-engine Corvette to compete with Fords GT, (and other exotics) already race proven, (or disproven) by next year. Hmmmmmm, Purely speculation, but wow, what a car to take on the worlds racing venues. GM appears to be striving to have an impact on the European marketplace, and racing is the way to get recognized there.
Ol Blue

z06nutss405
02-13-04, 03:32 PM
well it looks like just an LMP racer with like a Chevy engine, and I hope it dosent turn out like that, it is pug ugly

1fstVET
03-09-04, 10:44 AM
THE CAR LOOKS SWEEEETTTT, in both colors, when are they available ?