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Rob
08-01-02, 08:49 PM
<h3 align="center">Lend a Helping Hand</h3><img src="/images/columns/wheelspin/wheel_rob.gif" width="175" height="85" border="1" alt="wheelspin column" align="left" /><font size="+3"><b>I</b></font> had originally intended on writing this month's Wheelspin on the topic of car shows, but due to a recent incident here on the forums, I decided to take the opportunity to talk about something a little different: lending a helping hand to others.

When I set out to start the Corvette Action Center, I wanted the site to be unique, helpful and educational to Corvette owners, Corvette enthusiasts and those who are looking to learn more about the marque and the unique culture and community that revolve around the marque. As stated in our Mission Statement: "The prime directive of the Corvette Action Center is to promote the awareness, preservation and enjoyment of the Chevrolet Corvette and help educate owners and enthusiasts by providing a professional and reliable online source of Corvette news and information."

As the Corvette Action Center has evolved, I have spent considerable time observing other Corvette related web site communities, how they operate, and how their members interact with one another. What I observed was the driving force behind my decision to start an online community here on the site. It is my hope that the members we attract to our community have a desire to not only learn about the Corvette, but also to help educate other folks who might not be as educated on the Corvette or automobiles in general.

The Corvette is the type of automobile that commands a fair price both new and used. As a result, not everyone can afford one and the average age of the Corvette owner is, (correct me if I'm wrong) around 45 years old according to past GM marketing studies. As with any community, the members will consist of various ages, education levels and personalities. It's inevitable that some members will clash with others due to differing opinions, beliefs, etc. The majority of the community will probably be older and settled down, however, a smaller percentage of the community will also consist of members that are much younger and may not be as educated in the Corvette or automobiles in general.

That's where I hope that our members step in, lend a helping hand and educate one another without passing judgement on that person for their lack of knowledge. I hope that everyone feels comfortable coming here to learn about the Corvette and participate in the discussions within the community. That includes helping one another out.

I understand that we're all human, and that it's easy to lose patience with one another for whatever reason. This form of communication via the internet also makes it extremely easy to say things to one another that you normally wouldn't say in person. All I ask is that before you get ready to fire off a flame (insult) in response to another member, stop, take a deep breath, and comeback to the offending post later on, before responding and pressing that submit button.

If someone posts erroneous information, simply point out the inaccuracies and provide the correct information. Once that's done, it's a win-win situation. You helped the person who supplied the incorrect information, and you helped set the record straight for everyone.

I would also like to ask that if someone does not want to be contacted via email or private messages, please respect that member's wishes. If you have issues with another member's actions here on the forums, or if you feel another member is way out of line, please contact one of the Moderators or myself and we'll deal with the situation. There's no need to post or start a new thread regarding the situation in question.

We're not only here to meet other Corvette owners and enthusiasts and talk about the Corvette, but we're also here to learn and help one another. I think it's safe to say that in general, Corvette enthusiasts are known for their kindness and generosity towards other Corvette enthusiasts. Lets set an example here and extend that same level of kindness and generosity towards those who would like to learn more about the Corvette and become a fellow enthusiast.

Eric
08-01-02, 08:59 PM
Very well put Rob!

-Eric

Stingray6974
08-01-02, 09:53 PM
Very well put indeed.:CAC
Mike

Ken
08-01-02, 11:29 PM
Well spoken. :upthumbs

_ken :w

Guy
08-02-02, 06:09 AM
Amen, Rob. The :CAC is the best!

:w
Guy

vmrod
08-02-02, 06:23 AM
It is too bad that you even had to have a discussion about that stuff. However, this is a great place for corvette enthuisiasts. and those incidences are probably few.

Highest comendations for starting up such a informative sight. I love to be able to get help from others and to see things from other viewpoints. I also enjoy, if my past experiences can help someone else, or at least provide them with another option or viewpoint.

Great Sun-Zu quote.

chockey
08-02-02, 07:44 AM
Your words say so much and they are very true.

Myself I'm a first time Vette owner and waited a good 35 yrs to be able to afford this car. From the people that I have met in upstate New York they seem to be about 50 - 55 on the average. I eagerly seek information about Vettes and have learned sooooo much from talking to others. I can only hope that the information they learned has come from people that are as generous with their thoughts as those CAC members.

OPINION is one of the most powerful words we have to use for it gives each person the right to be right without question, does it mean that others are wrong, NO because its their OPINION. This allows you the oppurtunity to reach for more knowledge if you so desire.

I'm about 1 day short of being as old as dirt but not a day goes by that I don't learn something new. I wish that I had been a member of CAC before I had purchased my Vette, you folks are a wealth of knowledge, I would have still purchased the vette but I would have been more aware of its condition and would have haggled more on the price.

CAC is a gem of a website. :upthumbs
Thank You
Chuck

Ctfoodguy2000
08-02-02, 07:50 AM
Rob: To yourself and others..... I am a member of another "popular" Corvette website, but I do not actively participate for all the reasons you wrote in this letter. It seems on the other "forum", if you ask a question, someone makes sure you feel like an idiot. I can honestly tell you that 99% of the responses on the Corvette Action Center are positive, helpful, and insightful. I also beleive that this is a tribute to you and the moderators on this site. The members that participate really care about their fellow Vette enthusiasts. Thanks for such an outstanding and informative (low pressure) site. I always talk to others about www.corvetteactioncenter.com!!

Regards to all :CAC

Ctfoodguy2000
08-02-02, 07:53 AM
P.S. - I am officially older then mud!:beer

Guy
08-02-02, 08:02 AM
Originally posted by Ctfoodguy2000
It seems on the other "forum", if you ask a question, someone makes sure you feel like an idiot.

Been there, done that :eyerole. This is THE place where anyone can feel comfortable knowing they won't be roasted when posting questions. I've met some of the CAC gang and many I have not, but I feel like I know many of you. Thanks, Rob for making the CAC what it is! I hope to meet many CAC members in Carlisle.

:w
Guy

ironcity
08-02-02, 08:21 AM
Not owning a full-scale corvette yet hasn't stopped me from learning a great deal. I appreciate all the valuable information and feedback. I know that when I (not soon enough) go to purchase a corvette, I have the experiences and great group of enthusiasts on my side.

:CAC ;worship

vetfever
08-02-02, 08:25 AM
I have visited the other sites and the feeling I get there is one like a 40 year old might feel when walking into a night club of 18 to 20 year olds. The discussions here make me feel proud of ownership in a professional, sincere site. Keep up the good work! I thoroughly enjoy the info.

96Holly
08-02-02, 10:13 AM
I also have been to 'other sites' only to come back for the quality of people of this site.

:s

Tom Bryant
08-02-02, 01:18 PM
Having found the big site first, it didn't take me long to realize that Corvette NH (later to become the Corvette Action Center) felt a lot more like home. Sometimes we need to ask, before we hit the send button, if we would say what we just typed to this person if we were face to face.

Tom

Rabbit
08-02-02, 04:49 PM
:D :s :J

ddmau
08-02-02, 11:08 PM
Other sites? We don need no stinkin' other sites! :SLAP

Thanks for a great site from a new member. Haven't felt the need for "other sites".


Hooray for :CAC

Rob
08-03-02, 11:26 AM
Thanks everyone. I'm glad that members feel comfortable here. Enjoy!

Evolution1980
08-03-02, 02:12 PM
Originally posted by ddmau
Other sites? We don need no stinkin' other sites! Thanks for a great site from a new member. Haven't felt the need for "other sites".

Yeah, what he said. I've never even been to another corvette forum other than CAC. Haven't had any reason! I love this place!

And yes, ages/maturity/knowledge all contribue to friction at times. That's the reason I stopped participating in the site devoted to my daily driver. Too many kids, not enough manners/knowledge/sense...

Me, I'm happily somewhere in the middle. I'm 25 and have had my vette since I was 18. And I never took the attitude that you find nowadays. I was always just cool about it, hanging out in the back. Didn't need to prove anything to anyone. Having the car was enough. It spoke for itself (and still does!)

To IronCity
Hey..you have the models..that's a start!

Rob
08-03-02, 02:38 PM
Originally posted by Evolution1980


Me, I'm happily somewhere in the middle. I'm 25 and have had my vette since I was 18. And I never took the attitude that you find nowadays. I was always just cool about it, hanging out in the back. Didn't need to prove anything to anyone. Having the car was enough. It spoke for itself (and still does!)

To IronCity
Hey..you have the models..that's a start!

Very well said!!

secondchance
08-05-02, 07:33 AM
Hi, Rob,
I had no idea that you actually started this site. One heck of a job! I go to "the other site" also. In general, CAC is more technical and serious where the other is more of kidding around. If you want serious info, this is the site and yes-lets keep it that way.:w :beer

Rob
08-05-02, 07:36 AM
Originally posted by vettaholic
Hi, Rob,
I had no idea that you actually started this site. One heck of a job! I go to "the other site" also. In general, CAC is more technical and serious where the other is more of kidding around. If you want serious info, this is the site and yes-lets keep it that way.:w :beer

Thanks. Yep. It started out a couple years ago as just a small New Hampshire based Corvette web site. We've come a long way. :)

sac001
08-05-02, 10:56 AM
Rob, I totally agree, this is the absolute best site around.

I must admit, when I first got my vette, then found this site, I was very timid about my first post. But after slinking around in the backgroud for a while, I realized that everyone was very polite and merely helped one another without passing judgement.

Although my knowledge of my corvette is limited, I have found myself in a position to be able to help others having similar problems that I had, and am happy to provide whatever help I can.

Thanks for a great site, and thanks to the many members who help keep it a great site.

Steve :w

DkBG
08-05-02, 11:40 AM
I agree with everything said in this thread and would like to add a reminder that if you do post something and have regrets that it may be misunderstood or you may have overreacted , you can use the edit option and change or remove your own post .Cliff

chockey
08-06-02, 07:41 AM
Rob and the rest of the gang

I'm very impressed with the organization of CAC, you folks did a great job with the options and forums. CAC is the primary web site that I venture to each day. The members have so much information to share and I have benefited from them many times over. :s :s :s

Thanks
Chuck

Paul G
08-06-02, 10:41 AM
As far as other sites. When I got my 88 three years ago the first site I found was Netvettes. There were (still are) some good people there. A big flame war started last year and a lot of the people just left, including me. That site has no moderator. I still check back now and then.

The next site I found was Corvetteforum. It has a lot of knowledgable people and a ton of helpfull information in the archives. I get the impression it is mostly about racing, modification, and go fast parts.

Then I came to the CAC. Very friendly site. The information available here about Corvette specs through the years is awsome.

Each site seems to have it's own personality. The people who make up the site give it that personality. I like to visit around here and there and talk to different people. That is what makes the internet a great tool.

If there are more Corvette sites out there I havent found them yet. Actually with as much time as I spend browsing I dont have much time left as it is.

primeratec5
08-07-02, 08:25 PM
Rob,

I am new to the site as well as a new (used) Corvette owner. I have asked several novice questions and have been very pleased with the volume(amount) and quality of answers. The members have been very supportive and have in a short time solved problems that dealer would have taken days to resolve, ie the 'C4's abiltiy to start some of the time and then not start the rest of the time.

Your comments were timely because one or two sites(threads) were getting out of hand. My Dad always said that if you wanted to learn something, keep your ears open and your mouth shut. Now in today's environment that would be translated in keeping your eyes open and sometimes your fingers off keyboard..................good job with site administration......I enjoy CAC!!!

les
08-07-02, 08:51 PM
My day would not be complete with out the CAC. I have met so many nice people here. There is no comparison between this forum and the other one. This forum is like family. Sometimes even family gets crossed up. No harm no foul. ;) :gap

22229stingray81
08-08-02, 05:21 PM
I think that this forum is an outstanding place and I want to thank all of you who have helped me on several occasions. These people take time out of there day to help you with your problem, why would you decide to argue and insult them? I have learned so much about vettes in my 3 years of owning my '81, and have gotten a loooot of help here on the forum. I remember when I just barely had my vette and I had a choke problem and I couldnt even find where my carburator was ( I know, I know, Ive learned) and you all were very patient with me and helped me through it (once you found out I was only 16). You could have easily called me an idiot, and refused to help, and that would have made me enjoy my vette less, but you didn't and thats what makes corvetteing more then a car, its a lifestyle, with wonderful people surrounding the hobby. Thanks again for all the kindness, and I hope to see this site go for years to come, next I need to know where my engine is, haha. :)

Rob
08-08-02, 08:25 PM
Originally posted by 22229stingray81
I think that this forum is an outstanding place and I want to thank all of you who have helped me on several occasions. These people take time out of there day to help you with your problem, why would you decide to argue and insult them? I have learned so much about vettes in my 3 years of owning my '81, and have gotten a loooot of help here on the forum. I remember when I just barely had my vette and I had a choke problem and I couldnt even find where my carburator was ( I know, I know, Ive learned) and you all were very patient with me and helped me through it (once you found out I was only 16). You could have easily called me an idiot, and refused to help, and that would have made me enjoy my vette less, but you didn't and thats what makes corvetteing more then a car, its a lifestyle, with wonderful people surrounding the hobby. Thanks again for all the kindness, and I hope to see this site go for years to come, next I need to know where my engine is, haha. :)
First of all, you guys have no idea how happy I am to hear the feedback you've given me in this thread. Based upon what you guys have said, it indicates to me that we are on the right path and that Corvette Action Center is moving ahead in the direction I had intended to move it. Corvette owners and enthusiasts helping one another through their own personal knowledge and the information we provide here. That's what it's all about.

As for what Tatortot said above, that is specifically why I decided to write about this topic for the Wheelspin column. We aren't all motorheads here. We're not all older adults who have lived through the high peformance era of the 50s and the 60s when carbs and "glass packs" ruled the pavement.

We sure as hell aren't getting any older, so who is going to carry on the torch after we're gone? Who will take care of the older Corvettes once we're gone? The younger generations of Corvette owners will....provided we teach them those things that may seem trivial to us, such as the location or identification of a carburetor. To some of us, that may sound funny, but to those who have no experience with older automobiles....it's a legitimate question.

So....keep that in mind....before you get ready to flame or laugh at someone who asks a general automotive question.....consider where they've been and what experiences or lack there of, they've had.

warren s
08-08-02, 08:55 PM
Rob

I have another perspective on this site. Aside from the basic love of all cars and Corvettes, I have my staff read posts from this site quite often.

I supervise the level 1 helpdesk for Fl**t bank. With all the tehnology out there one thing we never seem to get is cooperation. We have so many people working and or interested in the same field but with quite differnt levels of experiance and experiance. I often like to point out how almost total strangers seem to share information and help each other to the point of actually taking a drive to lend a hands on assist. If only other people that spend 8 hours a day with each other could do half as much..... So I think this site is a model of cooperation we all can learn from.

Its also a pleasure to meet people through the site (71Shark, Nut)among others. The other sites are also very good but have more of a bias towards racing and specific years.

Keep up the good work!!

MLGower
08-09-02, 12:24 PM
I've had my Vette now for about 6 months and I gotta tell you, if it wern't for this site, I would have given up on my vette. It needs a good deal of work, and you guys have saved me Soooo much money it's not even funny. I grew up a motorhead working on GM's Fords and Dodge, but the Corvette has got to be the most fun I've had tinkering. Even with the knowledge I have from other cars and projects, I find there is a LOT I don't know about the Corvette. And the people on this site are extremely helpful when it comes to figuring out a problem. My most recent fixes were the cooling system and my Differental. I almost went out and spent a ton of money replacing the Diff, and both trailing arms, which as it turns out, are in good cond! My hat's off to you and this site!!! Thanks for all the help.

Michael :w

glen3107
08-10-02, 09:07 PM
Me too!

I think Corvette Action Center is the best forum on the web. I was really fortunate to find CAC while I was searching for my corvette. Because of the information in the knowledgebase and the technical information that you'all shared, I found the right corvette for me.
What I like best about CAC is everyone's kindness to new owners, especially when the same question has been asked and answered before.

Thanks, Great Job! :CAC

Piet
08-12-02, 05:04 PM
Speaking as someone who is just getting into the 'vette scene, I asked some pretty 'noob questions, and always got GREAT replies. Very informative and gentle on my lack of knowledge of 'vettes. Thanks to all the participants who have increased my knowledge and appreciation of this fine car.

Kudo's Rob on building a great community.

-Piet

Nothing is more conducive to peace of mind than not having any opinions at all.
-Georg Christoph Lichtenberg (1742 - 1799)

monte70
08-13-02, 07:59 AM
Rob, It was just luck that I found CAC and now when I have a corvette question I search your site first. I also tell my buddy's of this great site that contains all types of information on vette's. Thank you again for having the insite to create this site. I just wish I had more time to read everything here. :beer

77vette
08-13-02, 05:28 PM
Because of the helpfulness of the CAC guys and gals is why I Stay tuned to this site. Job well-done Rob. Hoss

StillDreaming
08-15-02, 03:26 AM
I am not sure how to properly thank you for starting this website. Thank you is just not good enough. Anyway I am so glad that I actually found this sight, I visit daily. Keep up the great work, and keep the information coming in regards to the C6. Thanks again.

trackitman
08-16-02, 07:46 AM
I bought my first vette this year, stumbled across this wonderful site, and will go nowhere else!

vmrod
08-16-02, 08:08 AM
I nice way to show your thanks (for all the information here) is to help others, offer support, CREATIVE criticism, and just being friendly.

LarryBible
08-25-02, 03:17 PM
Thanks very much for this thread to help tune us all in to what this is all about.

I looked very hard for a site like this about two years ago and gave up. I came up with a need for some answers about a month or so ago, looked again and found this great site. I have frequented a site, much like this, covering the other car type which draws my enthusiasm, for about two and a half years. I have said that the site was the best on the internet. Since finding this site and forum, it is most definitely number two IMHO, and closing in fast.

My sincere thanks for taking the initiative to put it all together.

Have a great day,

Stingray74CC
08-26-02, 09:29 PM
Here's another young guy that has been made at home here at CAC. I've meet close to a dozen CACers from the Virginia/Maryland area and am very impressed with their willingness to accept a much younger person into their group. I don't have much to bring to the table, but I'm sure taking a lot from it. Like Rob said:


Who will take care of the older Corvettes once we're gone? The younger generations of Corvette owners will....provided we teach them those things that may seem trivial to us


I expect to be able to teach my children and many others all about vettes someday, and I can say that I learned it from a bunch of ol' farts on an internet site when I was younger.
:D

Eric
08-26-02, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by Stingray74CC
Here's another young guy that has been made at home here at CAC. I've meet close to a dozen CACers from the Virginia/Maryland area and am very impressed with their willingness to accept a much younger person into their group. I don't have much to bring to the table, but I'm sure taking a lot from it. .......I expect to be able to teach my children and many others all about vettes someday, and I can say that I learned it from a bunch of ol' farts on an internet site when I was younger.
:D

Nicely put Anthony, from one of the younger ol' farts:D.

- Eric :w

C V Man
08-30-02, 01:01 AM
There are other Corvette websites?

What for?

C V Man

way2fast
08-30-02, 10:35 AM
I think this site rocks!!!! i am a new owner in the vette family and am very excited to have found this site, i have so many questions and cant wait to hear all the different answers and suggeations to put my all my questions at ease, like this one.. What is the top speed of a 2002 C5? Also, does anyone know where you can run your car for a time? East End Long Island?

Gorgon
08-30-02, 03:51 PM
GM's reported top speed is 175mph for the coupe and vert and 171 for the Z06. Z06 looses a small bit on the top end due to its gearing. Check the mags for tested top speed.

way2fast
08-30-02, 06:02 PM
I GOT HER UP TO ABOUT 150 ON THE STREET, WHILE BLOWING THE DOORS OFF A SH-T STANG, IT FELT REALLY GOOD, A HELL OF A RUSH BUT IT FELT LIKE SHE COULD GO QUICKER

SHADY80
03-02-03, 06:05 AM
ROB;100% exellent,TOP SHELF;first and only site i go to for answers and info.Tried them all,but only feel at HOME at CAC. THANKS FOR EVERYTHING;KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK.

Rob
03-02-03, 08:15 AM
Thanks Shady! :)