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Rob
03-31-09, 03:16 PM
Since the cat was let out of the bag on another forum, I might as well not be the last:

Chevrolet will offer the 2010 in 6 models - yes 6:

1YY07 Corvette Coupe
1YY67 Corvette Convertible
1YY87 Corvette Z06
1YY87 Corvette ZR1
1YG07 Corvette Grand Sport Coupe
1YG67 Corvette Grand Sport Convertible

To the best of my knowledge, we will not see a return of the skunk-like paint job and don't expect to see any big power gains. I believe it will contain bits and pieces from the ZR1.

Think of the 2010 Grand Sport as a clone of the GT1 Competition model that was just unveiled. Essentially; just more marketing stuff. ;)

NORTY
03-31-09, 04:03 PM
Which "bits & pieces?"

I'd be all over the CC brakes!:thumb

Rob
03-31-09, 04:04 PM
Think wide body like the ZR1 and Z06. ;)

twiget
03-31-09, 04:27 PM
I know the rumor was thrown out there a coupe years ago, that GM might break the Corvette out into its own marque. When the ZR1 was added to the line-up, I started to wonder if there might be some truth to the rumor. Now we've got the GS coupe and convertible added to the line up... ;shrug

Any news on how much the GS's will cost? I'm guessing they'll slot squarely in the middle of the 25k gap between the base coupe and the Z06.

:thumb Jason

Hib Halverson
03-31-09, 04:33 PM
If it is more marketing than substance, it's understandable.

With something like 8000 unsold cars from 07, 08 and 09 in inventory, GM has a big problem in moving metal as far as the Corvette goes.

I think what they need is the "Tim Geithner Signature" Edition Corvette. It comes with a special feature in the sales contract that says if you get behind in your payments the government will bail you out.:thumb

Patrick
03-31-09, 07:52 PM
I think what they need is the "Tim Geithner Signature" Edition Corvette. It comes with a special feature in the sales contract that says if you get behind in your payments the government will bail you out.:thumb

No, the "Tim Giethner Signature Edition" Corvette will allow you to skip out on paying the sales tax, and thus put you in line for a Cabinet position.

Tikitb8
03-31-09, 08:03 PM
Again..... a sad attempt at selling cars based on the name of a success.

Mo

sbrady
03-31-09, 11:35 PM
My guess is that it will be pathetic, since the team that put together the '96 Grand Sport, led by the legendary John Heinricy, put their hearts and souls into creating something truly special to mark the end of the C-4 run, instead of making it an afterthought, which the 2010 0ne-of-six options is likely to be. How sad!!! : ( : ( : (

Spence
GSR Lifetime; Re-Owner \\ GS697

2VettesMike
04-01-09, 04:23 PM
AIG edition, comes with an iron clad bonus after the payments are made for one year using treasury funds.....

6 Shooter
04-01-09, 04:41 PM
http://www.illustratedcorvetteseries.com/images/Color_1963_Grand_Sport.jpg (http://www.grandsportregistry.com/63_history.htm)


http://us.tnpv.net/2002/GMC200208/GMC2002080930034_PV.jpg
Government Motor Corporation

hardnoks
04-02-09, 11:20 AM
I wish there was an actual picture of the GS out here somewhere...

Rob
04-02-09, 11:38 AM
<------ stirs pot....

:chuckle


I wish there was an actual picture of the GS out here somewhere...

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19313&stc=1&d=1238686642

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19314&stc=1&d=1238686642

midyearroadster427
04-03-09, 04:28 PM
lol..looks like my cousins viper..

JBsC5
04-04-09, 10:35 AM
Think wide body like the ZR1 and Z06. ;)


thats a great way for GM to go...

If its not too expensive...it will be one popular option!

I would have bought that on my new corvette and for the guys with an older corvette...I am sure they will line up for this new wide body Grand Sport option..

If I remember correctly the guys were paying close to 10 grand to convert there c6 coupes and verts to a wide body kit (with wheels etc)


At a 5 grand option package...its a slam dunk for success...

JMO

vettefinderjim
04-04-09, 11:22 AM
I don't have a picture, but GULDSTRAND'S GS-90 is another car Chevrolet "should have" built.

Hutch
04-04-09, 02:40 PM
Again..... a sad attempt at selling cars based on the name of a success.

Mo

What Mo said. Whatever, it certainly won't diminish the value or enjoyment factor of our '96 Grand Sports, which themselves are just wonderful tributes to the original. If this helps keep Corvette as a viable brand, knock themselves out. It's all good. :thumb

Jimmyz
04-04-09, 03:47 PM
Anything is better than NO Corvette IMHO.

Timz16
04-04-09, 05:46 PM
The stripes work for me:thumb. But then as an owner of the 04 commemorative edition, I am somewhat biased. Wonder if it will get a blower?

Aceves81
04-04-09, 06:02 PM
Again..... a sad attempt at selling cars based on the name of a success.

Mo

What do you mean "a sad attempt?"....Your negative comments are not welcome here in this forum!...if you don't like the new GS, don't buy it!...we have to be supportive of GM and Chevrolet in this time of crisis, my friend!!...if you don't like Corvettes, then why do you own several?...can you explain that one to me??...it doesn't take a rocket scientist!!

JBsC5
04-04-09, 06:45 PM
I think the wide body corvette is the best attempt to sell more vehicles..

Corvette owners and new buyers will flock to the wide body grand sport ..

thats smart business..

Of course the wide body will require larger wheels and tires....so maybe GM will offer the grand sport with NON RUNFLAT TIRES!

Now if GM would add in direct injection and offer up another 10% horsepower that would be wild...yet I wouldn't count on that...(in this business enviroment)

so lets be hopeful we get a widebody with wider tires and wheels..

vetmaniac
04-04-09, 07:21 PM
Think wide body like the ZR1 and Z06. ;)

"A widebody does not a Z06 or ZR1 make." :upthumbs

Aurora40
04-04-09, 07:33 PM
My guess is that it will be pathetic, since the team that put together the '96 Grand Sport, led by the legendary John Heinricy, put their hearts and souls into creating something truly special to mark the end of the C-4 run, instead of making it an afterthought, which the 2010 0ne-of-six options is likely to be. How sad!!! : ( : ( : (

Spence
GSR Lifetime; Re-Owner \\ GS697

Just curious, what are you referring to regarding Heinricy and the '96 GS? Also, what heart and soul in the car are you referring to? It's a decal pacakge and larger rear wheels that differentiate it from the base car.

Also as far as marking the end of the C4 run, it shared that limelight with the Collector's Edition. So the 1 of 6 thing of a C6 GS wasn't much different for the C4 GS.

I am certainly not trying to knock the car, I just found it pretty weird you ripping on GM if they introduce something that is mainly an appearance package to keep sales going, yet hold up as a shining example what was an appearance package to keep sales going.

JBsC5
04-04-09, 07:43 PM
Just decals or stripes and I wouldn't think to much of it...but ....and its a big butt..

Add wider fender flares, wider wheels and wider tires and you have a true performance improvement...worthy of the grand sport name..

lets remember the Z51 corvette as it sits this year has a top speed of 190mph..and thats not something to frown upon..

Same can be said of its 4.1 second runs to 60mph...or its handling and braking capability...

The wide body Grand sport will if priced correctly be extremely well recieved in the marketplace..

and in the sports car world...

Lets face it...the c6 z51 base car tops out at 190mph...and is truly a sports car supercar icon...

The grand sport is just a slightly richer flavor..(if it has the widebody/wide wheels and tires)

Sting Ray
04-04-09, 08:08 PM
You think the '96 GS is a good tribute to the orginal? You really need to read up on your Corvette history.

Tom M

What Mo said. Whatever, it certainly won't diminish the value or enjoyment factor of our '96 Grand Sports, which themselves are just wonderful tributes to the original. If this helps keep Corvette as a viable brand, knock themselves out. It's all good. :thumb

JBsC5
04-04-09, 08:16 PM
The 96 grand sport was a hell of a performance car...

it regularly smoked c5's at the drag strip too..

That LT4 motor was bad @ss for the time...IMO and underated..

In this economy to get people to open their wallets ..GM needs more than stripes and decals..

Big @ss wheels and tires on a wide body would be the ticket to get people into buying at MSRP or at least without all the discounts..

Now if GM goes and rips the consumer off for the wide body Grand sport..

Well they will get what they deserve....which will be slow sales until they discount the product..

My feeling is 5 grand would be fine for a wide body C6 with the grand sport stripes.. over and above a C6 Z51.

non runflat tires would be a smoking good idea..

not sure the GM faithful could wrap the brains around that one..but if they could...the drop of 25 lbs of unsprung weight over the runflats would be a hell of a smart move and would probably cut the cost quite a bit..

I'm pumped..I can't wait to the news release on this car..

If gm does the wide tire, wide wheel thing...the magazines will go nuts over the car for the next three months with corvette comparos etc..

Add in the camaro SS, the Cobalt SS,the HHR SS, the Corvette Grand sport...the Z06..the ZR1...

Thats the smokin hottest lineup in the entire United states..


make one hell of a press release.

Forget the global recession.....and all the doom and gloom..

(and the cars all get....excellent gas mileage too))

dmd
04-05-09, 02:00 AM
Just curious, what are you referring to regarding Heinricy and the '96 GS? Also, what heart and soul in the car are you referring to? It's a decal pacakge and larger rear wheels that differentiate it from the base car.

Also as far as marking the end of the C4 run, it shared that limelight with the Collector's Edition. So the 1 of 6 thing of a C6 GS wasn't much different for the C4 GS.

I am certainly not trying to knock the car, I just found it pretty weird you ripping on GM if they introduce something that is mainly an appearance package to keep sales going, yet hold up as a shining example what was an appearance package to keep sales going.

Thanks Aurora40, I couldn't have said it better myself (and was just about to try before you saved me the trouble). I do have a bit to add, though. The LT4 is a great motor but it was a necessity, not some stroke of genius or outpouring of heart and soul.

1996 wasn't even supposed to be a C4 year. C5 should have been done by then, but due to the LAST GM apocalypse in 1990 it kept getting pushed back. If not for the side-impact standards of 1997 it would've been pushed out to there too, but there was no way for C4's structure to meet those standards. 1996 was the last year for a car that had been designed in the '70s with pencils, protractors and slide-rules. It had so many well-known and insurmountable engineering flaws that it could no longer be re-engineered to meet governmental regulations for emissions and crashworthiness, not to mention structural rigidity to meet performance and customer satisfaction goals, without a ground-up redesign. It desperately needed to be replaced, but Chevrolet still had to sell one more year of it after 1995, the last OBD-I year. Everyone knew C5 was coming and how great it was going to be, so 1996 would have been a tough year to sell any Corvettes with only an LT1 on the order sheet in the shadow of ZR-1's six-year run. They needed a special engine option. LT5 production had been stopped since 1993, and it would have been cost-prohibitive to rework it for OBD-II anyway. So the production-ready engineering work that would have produced the stillborn GEN-III small-block went into the LT1 to make the LT4, and made OBD-II compliance for both engines fairly easy due to their similarity.

Point is, the '96 Grand Sport is in no way a glorious homage to the originals, and if you want to see an example of John Heinricy's heart and soul in a car, it's in Snake Skinner (http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/forums/zr-1-general-technical-discussion/1730-snake-skinner-package.html), not the '96 Grand Sport. The GS came straight from Chevy's marketing department, not John.

BeagleMaster
04-05-09, 08:21 AM
Again..... a sad attempt at selling cars based on the name of a success.

Mo

I guess it's pretty obvious why GM is in the position that they are.
Doesn't anyone have the creativity to at least dream up a new name, let alone a new paint design scheme these days? First they re-use the ZR-1, confusing everyone whether you ar etalking about and "old" one or a new one, now they dupe the nameplate of another recent icon.

Let's not forget when they called a V-6 Blazer the "ZR-2".

The guys at GM used to tell me that GM was a great place to get experience before you went to work for a good automaker. Maybe the people who name cars are all gone.

I can think of a few off hand.

How about the Demovette? No down payments and payments for the rest of your life.

Or how about the Stimulavette? Once its broke you just keep dumping money into it.

And of course we could all use a BarneyVette. It has the jack and handle shoved up the exhaust....:ohnoes

:-)) jvd, Founder
The GSOR.

Tikitb8
04-05-09, 01:25 PM
What do you mean "a sad attempt?"....Your negative comments are not welcome here in this forum!...if you don't like the new GS, don't buy it!...we have to be supportive of GM and Chevrolet in this time of crisis, my friend!!...if you don't like Corvettes, then why do you own several?...can you explain that one to me??...it doesn't take a rocket scientist!!

Ummmm, who died and left you in charge of "what's welcome on this forum"?
Let's just say I won't lower myself to your level to reply any further.

Maureen "Mo" Waller
You CAN of course respond privately if you want to continue this.

Tikitb8
04-05-09, 01:39 PM
You think the '96 GS is a good tribute to the orginal? You really need to read up on your Corvette history.

Tom M

As you said, it was a tribute. I think that is what GM may have been after, and probably a good idea. We will never replicate history, but imitation is the best form of flattery. ;-)

Mo

JBsC5
04-05-09, 09:59 PM
whats the GM release date for information on the new Grand sport?

April what?

TIA

6 Shooter
04-06-09, 08:01 AM
The 96 Grand Sport was a hell of a performance car... it regularly smoked C5's at the drag strip too...

Apples to Apples/Stock 6 Speed vs. Stock 6 Speed: The LS1 was/is Top Dog! :thumb

1996 LT4 Performance Specs (http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/specs/c4/1996/96perf.html)

1997 LS1 Performance Specs (http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/specs/c5/1997/97prod.html)

:lou
Later . . . . . .
6 Shooter

caninelver
04-06-09, 03:08 PM
[quote=Hib Halverson;954462]If it is more marketing than substance, it's understandable.

With something like 8000 unsold cars from 07, 08 and 09 in inventory, GM has a big problem in moving metal as far as the Corvette goes.

I wonder where these unsold cars are, in some warehouse or on dealers lots. I would think GM would sell them a a nice discount.

GRANDSPORT
04-08-09, 10:37 PM
Just curious, what are you referring to regarding Heinricy and the '96 GS? Also, what heart and soul in the car are you referring to? It's a decal pacakge and larger rear wheels that differentiate it from the base car.

Also as far as marking the end of the C4 run, it shared that limelight with the Collector's Edition. So the 1 of 6 thing of a C6 GS wasn't much different for the C4 GS.

I am certainly not trying to knock the car, I just found it pretty weird you ripping on GM if they introduce something that is mainly an appearance package to keep sales going, yet hold up as a shining example what was an appearance package to keep sales going.

I do not believe you know of what you speak, a lot of thought went into the 1996 Grand Sport.

Rob
04-08-09, 11:09 PM
Just curious, what are you referring to regarding Heinricy and the '96 GS? Also, what heart and soul in the car are you referring to? It's a decal pacakge and larger rear wheels that differentiate it from the base car.

Also as far as marking the end of the C4 run, it shared that limelight with the Collector's Edition. So the 1 of 6 thing of a C6 GS wasn't much different for the C4 GS.

I am certainly not trying to knock the car, I just found it pretty weird you ripping on GM if they introduce something that is mainly an appearance package to keep sales going, yet hold up as a shining example what was an appearance package to keep sales going.

That's not entirely true.

The Grand Sport came with only the LT4 engine. It did come with a unique paint/stripe package, but it also came with the ZR-1 rear tires and wheels, and if I'm not mistaken bigger brakes.

A lot of testing went into the Grand Sport as well as the adjustable suspension which was supposed to be more advanced than the FX3 from previous years, but was basically unique to the 1996 model year.

Sharing the limelight with the Collector's Edition? Not sure I totally agree with that.

The Collector's Edition came with unique Sebring Silver Metallic paint and ZR-1 front wheels. It could be ordered with either the LT1 or the LT4 engine. However, for all intents and purposes, the Grand Sport was the Swan Song of the 1996 model year, and its performance pretty much matched that of the ZR-1.

JBsC5
04-09-09, 06:47 AM
When does GM release official information on this new Grand Sport..

If it comes with a wide body and wider wheels and tires...and NOT too much of an increase of price...

GM will have a winner on its hands..

if GM was flush with cash...I'd would have been pleased to see direct injection on the LS3 for another 10% more hp...465hp on the direct injection LS3 should have been doable...

That would have completed the Grand sport package..and made it a slam dunk to drive consumers to shop the vehicle...and given better mileage and emissions at the same time... (always a fan of DSG but thats pretty much a pipe dream with the current state of GM affairs)

Just the wide body and wide wheels/tires would make a great grand sport..

Sometime in april would be a cool release date of GM official info on the grand sport? Does that sound about right?

TIA

Aurora40
04-10-09, 05:33 PM
That's not entirely true.

The Grand Sport came with only the LT4 engine. It did come with a unique paint/stripe package, but it also came with the ZR-1 rear tires and wheels, and if I'm not mistaken bigger brakes.

A lot of testing went into the Grand Sport as well as the adjustable suspension which was supposed to be more advanced than the FX3 from previous years, but was basically unique to the 1996 model year.

Sharing the limelight with the Collector's Edition? Not sure I totally agree with that.

The Collector's Edition came with unique Sebring Silver Metallic paint and ZR-1 front wheels. It could be ordered with either the LT1 or the LT4 engine. However, for all intents and purposes, the Grand Sport was the Swan Song of the 1996 model year, and its performance pretty much matched that of the ZR-1.
LT4 was on all 6-speed 1996 cars, not just Grand Sports. J55 brakes were standard on all Corvettes starting in 1995. The F45 suspension was also not a Grand Sport only thing, and I always assumed GM adopted it because it was cheaper than the Bilstein setup, though I don't know that for sure. I don't even think that most GS's had the F45, did they?

The only thing you could not actually order on any car but the GS was the 11" wide rear wheels (not on 'verts though), and the white stripe and red hash marks.

It is most definitely an appearance package. For the record, I have not said there is anything wrong with that. I found it odd that someone would rip this new car as just an appearance package, yet at the same time point out how the '96 GS "did it up right".

Aurora40
04-10-09, 05:33 PM
I do not believe you know of what you speak, a lot of thought went into the 1996 Grand Sport.
It should be easy to expound on it then, no?

sbrady
04-10-09, 05:55 PM
Friends:
Can I get some 'Church' in here for Hutch and Mo? These two wonderful people (and their significant Others) have put their hearts and souls into keeping the '96 \\ GS in the forefront of everyone's consciousness, and I for one believe that they are due the respect of all Corvette enthusiasts.
That said, the '96 \\ GS is a special car, and if you are like me, and have driven C-5 and newer Vettes, you know that while more refined, the C-5 is not as pure performance-feeling like the '96 \\ GS.
See you at The Woodward

sbrady
04-13-09, 01:45 PM
To Aurora40:

I have waited, paused, and, I have been interrupted by the server swap. During this time, I pondered whether or not it was appropriate to respond to your comments about the '96 GS, and how you believe, apparently, that the car is just another '96 C-4 model, hoping to boost sales for thay year, in advance of the C5.

I do not know you, but, I suspect that you are more of a "car person" than I am, since I am relatively new to these forums, and also, due to the fact that until recently, I thought a throttle body was a carburator. Yes, I am still learning. Someday, I will earn the title of "Car Guy."

That said, the '96 GS is truly a special car, and moreover, the people who own them know that like all Corvettes, they are special. And further, as the leader of the Grand Sport Registry, a Mr. John 'Hutch' Hutchinson frequently says, quote, "There is just something about a GS." A more factually correct statement has rarely been uttered.

Here is some additional proof as to how special the '96 GS really is. What I am going to disclose to you is information sent to me privately, via email, by John Heinricy, who as you well know, is the heart and soul of the GS, and along with other dedicated GM employees, fought to get the car built. I am apologizing to John in advance, since I know that the following comments from John were not originally intended for public broadcast. Given the tone you evoked in your ealier post, I am taking license with John's comments to me, as I believe John would not object, since my sole purpose is to correct what appears to be a distorted historical record on this forum.

One of many, many examples of how special the '96 GS car is can be traced to a committment John had to make requiring the "saleability" of all the GS cars The General built. One can imagine why such a requirement was needed, given the relatively small number of cars (1,000), and the need by the bean counters to spread the development costs of the GS over as wide a production number as possible, in order to maintain some level of profitaiblity.

John related to me that all cars produced, including the Pilot cars, numbering perhaps 20 or so, had to be up to high quality standards, and be deliverable to the dealers for sale, after all the photo shoots, car shows, and long-term testing was completed. No crushing of GS cars was to be performed.

This high quality standard has become the norm for The General, and John Heinricy deserves the credit for making it happen, and for being the first GM Manager to accept such a high standard.

Every '96 GS owner knows how special the car is, and some know it more than most. I consider myself to be one of those fortunate souls, since I have owned both a '96 GS, and a C5 ('00 Coupe). Without question, the GS is the better car, because it gives the driver more of a performance car feel. I liken the comparison to what The General was trying to produce when the hardtop coupe was introduced a few years ago, e.g. fewer options, a stronger, stiffer car, but more of a race car feel.

Yes, as Hutch says, "There is just somenthing about a GS!"

Live It!

Spence
Grand Sport Registry Lifetime Member
Re-Owner GS \\ 697

Aurora40
04-14-09, 03:41 PM
That said, the '96 GS is truly a special car, and moreover, the people who own them know that like all Corvettes, they are special. And further, as the leader of the Grand Sport Registry, a Mr. John 'Hutch' Hutchinson frequently says, quote, "There is just something about a GS." A more factually correct statement has rarely been uttered.

I'm not sure why what I said caused such a stir? I don't believe I ever said the car was not special. As you note, many Corvettes are special. I also think the Grand Sports, and the LT4, are pretty neat. I think what they did to send off the C4 (and the Chevy smallblock) was great, especially considering they likely had little time or budget in which to do it.

That said, it does not change what constituted the Grand Sport option. I don't understand why it is considered a slight to point out it was an appearance package.

Tikitb8
04-14-09, 07:54 PM
I'm not sure why what I said caused such a stir? I don't believe I ever said the car was not special. As you note, many Corvettes are special. I also think the Grand Sports, and the LT4, are pretty neat. I think what they did to send off the C4 (and the Chevy smallblock) was great, especially considering they likely had little time or budget in which to do it.

That said, it does not change what constituted the Grand Sport option. I don't understand why it is considered a slight to point out it was an appearance package.


Aurora, it's not WHAT you say, it's the way you say it. (Don't mean to sound like the "mom" here but I guess I do).

And as for the "nothing more than an appearance package"....how many corvettes have been consecutively numbered and actually limited - in the GS case to 1000 - instead of limited to as many as GM could make?

sbrady
04-14-09, 09:16 PM
Aurora40:
Greetings.
If you continue to believe, as it appears that you do, in the notion that the '96 GS is about an appearance package, and nothing more, then my previous attempt to illuminate the historical record that you are conveniently (intentionally???) omitting, was a waste of my valuable time, as well as the valuable time of all those Corvette enthusiasts who took the time to read our posts on this forum.
Albert Einstein once opined that doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting a different result to occur, was one definition of insanity. Thus, any further attempts by me to correct your spurious beliefs about the '96 GS would be 'insanity.'
I will therefore, cease any effort to correct your aforementioned spurious beliefs, and instead, I will ask you to read up on the history of the '96 GS.
See you at The Woodward Dream Cruise!
Live It!
Spence
Grand Sport Registry Lifetime Member
Re-Owner GS \\ 697

twiget
04-14-09, 09:51 PM
Many years ago I owned GS328. Over the years I had her, I did a lot of reading about the '96 GS's. Based upon everything I read, I came to the conclusion that Mr. Heinricy's original goal with the GS was for it to be the sole swan song for the C4's.

The GS was to be the only '96 'Vette available with the LT4 and a 6-speed. But bean-counters being who they are, Mr. Heinricy had to spread out the cost of developing the LT4 over as many cars as possible. And thus the LT4 became available in CE's and "regular" '96's.

I can understand how some might think the GS is just an appearance package, with the LT4 and 6-speed tranny being available in other non-GS cars in '96, but I do believe that the the original intention was for only the GS to have the LT4, much like the LT5 was only available in the ZR-1.

As for the upcoming 2010 Grand Sport, I eagerly await more info!

:v Jason

GS Diva
04-15-09, 10:50 AM
I agree with Jason. I also used to own GS#582 and was extremely proud to be the owner of such a low production Corvette. To some, it might appear to be just a unique paint package, but the GS went much further than that which Spencer, Mo and Hutch have addressed.

I no longer own my GS#582, but I have more than 5 years of memories with a very special, unique Corvette.

Elaine

Louis Bartay
04-16-09, 01:18 PM
What do you mean "a sad attempt?"....Your negative comments are not welcome here in this forum!...if you don't like the new GS, don't buy it!...we have to be supportive of GM and Chevrolet in this time of crisis, my friend!!...if you don't like Corvettes, then why do you own several?...can you explain that one to me??...it doesn't take a rocket scientist!!


Lets see you are a new member and you are speaking for "The Forum" Mo has her opinion and you have your's. If you owned a GS you would fell the same way. She Loves Corvette's and she is Welcome here same as you. If you knew her and all the work she does for Corvette events you would Not have posted what you did.

Louis Bartay
04-16-09, 01:24 PM
LT4 was on all 6-speed 1996 cars, not just Grand Sports. J55 brakes were standard on all Corvettes starting in 1995. The F45 suspension was also not a Grand Sport only thing, and I always assumed GM adopted it because it was cheaper than the Bilstein setup, though I don't know that for sure. I don't even think that most GS's had the F45, did they?

The only thing you could not actually order on any car but the GS was the 11" wide rear wheels (not on 'verts though), and the white stripe and red hash marks.

It is most definitely an appearance package. For the record, I have not said there is anything wrong with that. I found it odd that someone would rip this new car as just an appearance package, yet at the same time point out how the '96 GS "did it up right".


The J-55 option does Not have the Black Caliper that has CORVETTE letters cast on it like a GS does. There are other differences, flairs, GS seats.

adamschorr
04-17-09, 09:33 AM
lol..looks like my cousins viper..

looks like any viper :D

Aurora40
04-17-09, 05:37 PM
The J-55 option does Not have the Black Caliper that has CORVETTE letters cast on it like a GS does. There are other differences, flairs, GS seats.
Quite right. The difference in GS calipers vs the standard J55 brakes that year are the appearance. Same with the seats and the flair.

If you look close, you may notice a 1996 Collector's Edition also has black calipers with the word "CORVETTE" on the fronts. They also had unique paint, wheels, and seats. No flair, but then GS 'verts didn't have that either.

Aurora40
04-17-09, 05:45 PM
Albert Einstein once opined that doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting a different result to occur, was one definition of insanity.
Heh, it's funny, because I feel the same way. You've pointed out the car is "special", the GS club folks are "special", and the cars were made with "high quality".

Would you feel better if I said it was a special, high quality appearance package, and the owners were above reproach?

I've met some of the GS folks, and no doubt they are good people. The GS cars are quite cool too. As are many Corvettes. And the GS's are unique, have their own VIN's, etc. Pretty neat.

That said, I sure wouldn't go and trash this proposed 2010 Grand Sport, especially before any details are released. The basis of this seems to be that it's an appearance package to boost sales.

Perhaps when they actually start making them, they'll be a special appearance package, made with high quality. Also, only really nice people will buy them. So why deride the car when all the facts aren't even on the table yet?

Aurora40
04-17-09, 05:56 PM
Aurora, it's not WHAT you say, it's the way you say it. (Don't mean to sound like the "mom" here but I guess I do).

And as for the "nothing more than an appearance package"....how many corvettes have been consecutively numbered and actually limited - in the GS case to 1000 - instead of limited to as many as GM could make?
Since I typed it, rather than said it, perhaps it's how you read it? I don't believe I implied any slight or offense to the GS. If so, it was not intended.

If you want a real answer to your question, I believe the 1988 35th anniversary was limited to the 2,050 they sold. I seem to recall that being the case vs them happening to sell that many. The '93-95 ZR-1s were all limited ahead of time to 448 per year.

Also, I believe all Corvettes, or at least 4th gens, had consecutively numbered VIN's. They all came down one line, and only made one model. For distinct VIN's, I think only the ZR-1 and GS had that from the C4 run.

Tikitb8
04-18-09, 11:35 PM
Since I typed it, rather than said it, perhaps it's how you read it? I don't believe I implied any slight or offense to the GS. If so, it was not intended.

If you want a real answer to your question, I believe the 1988 35th anniversary was limited to the 2,050 they sold. I seem to recall that being the case vs them happening to sell that many. The '93-95 ZR-1s were all limited ahead of time to 448 per year.

Also, I believe all Corvettes, or at least 4th gens, had consecutively numbered VIN's. They all came down one line, and only made one model. For distinct VIN's, I think only the ZR-1 and GS had that from the C4 run.

LOL, I guess how we read things and how we UNDERSTAND them is VERY important. I used the word "consecutively" when I was explaining the Grand Sport. So I meant to refer to JUST the 1000 GRAND SPORTS being numbered consecutively. The 5,412 "Collector 96s" were NOT numbered consecutively, they were mixed in with the regular VIN/production numbering system. Get it? Go read about the GS and maybe you will understand what I meant.

If you want to go toe to toe about Corvette knowledge with me bring it on.
Oh, and I meant that just like I wrote it.

twiget
04-18-09, 11:45 PM
I think we are straying from the intent of Rob's initial post, which was to tease us with info about the upcoming 2010 Grand Sport.

We all have strong feelings about the '96 Grand Sport. No one is denying it was an excellent car, but this thread is to discuss the upcoming 2010 Grand Sport. Lets try to keep it on track. :w

:thumb Jason

Tikitb8
04-19-09, 01:48 PM
I think we are straying from the intent of Rob's initial post, which was to tease us with info about the upcoming 2010 Grand Sport.

We all have strong feelings about the '96 Grand Sport. No one is denying it was an excellent car, but this thread is to discuss the upcoming 2010 Grand Sport. Lets try to keep it on track. :w

:thumb Jason


Jason, you are 100% here and I apologize for straying. I wondered about transferring over to the '96 LT4 area, but didn't know how.

(Actually for those that know me I thought I did pretty good holding off as much as I did, my fuse is usually MUCH shorter) ;-)

The New Quieter Mo

sbrady
04-19-09, 07:51 PM
To All:

Greetings.

In an effort to re-direct the discussion, as well as to illuminate the antecedent of my post on the special qualities of the GS, I will offer up the following thoughts.

My post was a bit of a jab at the 2010 GS option, penned out of frustration, since it seems unlikely to me that the car would, or could have the same historical backdrop as the '96 GS. Who knows, maybe the General will surprise me...it will not be the first time this has occurred.

Secondly, while all carmakers seem to be interested in increasing sales, I remain frustrated by The General's plight, and that of other domestic carmakers who are crying to Washington, when it was, and is, their own fault for being where they are (with a little help from the UAW).

To illustrate what I mean, all I need to do is to say the name of one totally awesome automobile...the "K" Car. Not to be outdone, the UAW wants its members to make over $150K per year, when other countries' workers are content with making $25K. Enough said.

Live It!

Spence
GSR Lifetime Member
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JBsC5
04-19-09, 07:59 PM
Since no corvette coupe or convertibles were shown at the NY auto show this year...

Possibly this coming friday we'll see a new body style?

Could it be the wide body Grand sport will lead to an update for the iconic corvette..?

Wide body....wider wheels and tires.... air filter and Pcm tune for an additional 15 ponies? Add in the Grand sport stripes...and we've got a winner!

JBsC5
04-23-09, 08:27 PM
here is another sighting account:

"Rick,

I havenít written in a while, but Iím at the Bash this week and took the plant tour. I was surprised to see some many ZR1ís being built, but also many of the new GT1 and Grand Sport models.

The grand sport looks like it has many of the Z06 body parts, wide fenders front and rear, the wide front fascia with the air scoop, extended Z06 type splash guards, a ZR1 type spoiler, special silver calipers and the LS3 engine. Pretty much a C6 with Z06 looks. Iím sure they will sell a lot and save people from buying the aftermarket parts.

Regards,
Ron in FENTON, MO."

jr3
04-23-09, 08:33 PM
here is another sighting account:

"Rick,

I havenít written in a while, but Iím at the Bash this week and took the plant tour. I was surprised to see some many ZR1ís being built, but also many of the new GT1 and Grand Sport models.

The grand sport looks like it has many of the Z06 body parts, wide fenders front and rear, the wide front fascia with the air scoop, extended Z06 type splash guards, a ZR1 type spoiler, special silver calipers and the LS3 engine. Pretty much a C6 with Z06 looks. Iím sure they will sell a lot and save people from buying the aftermarket parts.

Regards,
Ron in FENTON, MO."

Hope to see some photos soon !

Rob
04-24-09, 01:13 AM
Hope to see some photos soon !

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/forums/news-announcements-forum/113376-chevrolet-announces-new-2010-corvette-grand-sport.html

jr3
04-24-09, 02:35 AM
From Autoblog:

The New Grand Sport Corvette

Chevy is bringing back the Corvette Grand Sport, and unlike the one offered at the end of the C4's run in the mid-Nineties, this one sports a long list of performance upgrades that would make even Zora Arkus-Duntov proud. Rather than treating this revival as a special model with a limited run, Chevy has decided to ditch the Z51 package entirely and offer the Grand Sport that pushes the standard Vette's performance even closer to that of the Z06.

While the 430-hp (436-hp with the two-mode exhaust) LS3 V8 remains unchanged, wider front and rear fenders allow for 18- (front) and 19-inch (rear) wheels that are also wider than before. Larger brakes are included and the special suspension tuning is now even closer to that of the Z06. You'll also notice other Z06 elements like the front splitter, rear spoiler and functional brake ducts behind the doors. Unlike the Z06, you can order a Grand Sport with a manual transmission or the Vette's six-speed automatic with paddle shifters. If you're a true track hound, though, go with the manual that also comes with a dry-sump oil system, differential cooler and rear-mounted battery.

Though available as a convertible, coupe models also feature a removable roof. The Grand Sport can also be had in all four Corvette trim levels (1LT, 2LT, 3LT and 4LT) and any standard Corvette color, and a special heritage package gives a nod to the past by adding a pair of hash marks to the front fenders. The new Grand Sport is being announced at the 12th annual C5/C6 Corvette Birthday Bash at the National Corvette Museum in Bowling Green, Kentucky.

http://i571.photobucket.com/albums/ss152/jr3vette/grandsport1-1280_opt.jpg


Move over Z06!.... The Grand Sport is HERE !!!

I like this BETTER than the Z06... It comes TOPLESS!!!!

The side gills look good too!... And the wheels have a more exotic look.

Another Awesome Vette!!! ... I LIKE IT !!! :thumb

:beer :Twist :dance :pat :BOW ;worship :Steer :v :drool: :J :blue:

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/forums/images/icons/gmnews.gif

Aurora40
04-25-09, 10:11 AM
Move over Z06!.... The Grand Sport is HERE !!!

I like this BETTER than the Z06... It comes TOPLESS!!!!

The side gills look good too!... And the wheels have a more exotic look.

Another Awesome Vette!!! ... I LIKE IT !!! :thumb

:beer :Twist :dance :pat :BOW ;worship :Steer :v :drool: :J :blue:

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/forums/images/icons/gmnews.gif
It certainly looks good in red! I dig the gills, it's a bit 550/575 Maranello looking. Also, sounds like it has plenty of performance upgrades to boot. I guess the big question will be how much it costs over a standard C6.

If they price it right, it should be a success I would think. With suspension, brake, and tire upgrades, plus things like the dry-sump system and diff cooler, it has some real track-ready performance upgrades that align well with the original Grand Sport effort.

jr3
04-25-09, 11:56 AM
Grand Sport = Another Ferrari Killer :cool

Hib Halverson
04-25-09, 01:32 PM
Actually, the "target" competition for the Grand Sport Manual Coupe is the Porsche GT3.

CorvetteBlogger
04-26-09, 06:11 PM
Here are some of the pictures I took of the Corvette Grand Sport at the C5/C6 Bash:

Exclusive Photo Gallery: The 2010 Corvette Grand Sport (http://www.corvetteblogger.com/index.cfm/2009/4/24/Exclusive-Photo-Gallery-The-2010-Corvette-Grand-Sport)

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/042409_9b.jpg

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/042409_18.jpg

http://www.corvetteblogger.com/images/content/042409_17.jpg

Ugolino
04-28-09, 05:20 AM
I'm not really loving it, do we really need yet another iteration of the c6? Let's see, we have the base model, the Z06, the ZR1, now the grand sport. Why stop there, I think the time has come for a Corvette Sportswagon, or a Corvette SUV. The big question is this: Do hash marks and shark gills make the base engine (which comes with this car) perform better? The Corvette itself is already bling, adding more bling just looks like the chief designer at Chevrolet allowed his teenage son to step into the design studio and call the shots for a day. Everyone seems to be excited to see this car in production, but seriously are there any body parts on the car that can't be transferred to a non-GS car and simply have a clone of a car that doesn't perform any better than the base car in the first place? I know I know it replaces the Z51, which basically means stiffer springs and bigger brakes, whatever. It's actually kinda sad to see the car headed in this direction, but there have been bigger blunders before (cough) 1984 crossfire (cough).

JBsC5
04-28-09, 08:23 PM
I'm not really loving it, do we really need yet another iteration of the c6? Let's see, we have the base model, the Z06, the ZR1, now the grand sport. Why stop there, I think the time has come for a Corvette Sportswagon, or a Corvette SUV. The big question is this: Do hash marks and shark gills make the base engine (which comes with this car) perform better? The Corvette itself is already bling, adding more bling just looks like the chief designer at Chevrolet allowed his teenage son to step into the design studio and call the shots for a day. Everyone seems to be excited to see this car in production, but seriously are there any body parts on the car that can't be transferred to a non-GS car and simply have a clone of a car that doesn't perform any better than the base car in the first place? I know I know it replaces the Z51, which basically means stiffer springs and bigger brakes, whatever. It's actually kinda sad to see the car headed in this direction, but there have been bigger blunders before (cough) 1984 crossfire (cough).

Tough crowd! LOL I understand your perspective yet the car has a track oriented dry sump oiling system and a battery relocated to the trunk. The car has wider tires and wheels.. as well as a new launch control system.

Those are all performance improvements..

Faster acceleration (true its only a few tenths improved over the base model...but its still an improvement to 4.0 seconds.......top speed at 190 mph...better cornering 1 lateral g...better brakes..( I forgot the braking numbers but its probably more related to fade resistance anyway with the six piston calibers)

The wider fenders? Thats always been a better look and it covers the wider wheels and tires so it has a performance aspect as well.

I see this new Grand Sport for those that feel the 4 flat zero to 60 mph time and 190 mph top speed more than enough acceleration..

As an owner of an 08 C6 Z51 and a previous owner of a modded 485hp C5 Z06...I'm more than satisfied with the performance of the new Grand sport..

I wish I didn't just buy a new corvette last year...I'd have gladly traded in my modded 485 hp c5 Z06 for a new corvette like the Grand sport with a 5 year 100000 mile warranty...

I'm just glad they put this out before the obama administration killed off the corvette entirely...

RUmor is the goverment is going to get a controlling stake in GM and then we're all up sh1ts creek..

JMO