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    I'm just getting in to entering car shows and had a question. I want to keep my car as original as possible inside and out but I would like to do some engine modifications (bigger carb, chambered exhaust, headers etc.) How would this effect my class in car shows, would it dock me points, move me to a modified class or what???

    Also, I will probabally be ordering some books from NCRS, but besides them, are there any other organizations out there that have a set of standardized rules for judging cars at shows?

    Thanks in advance for any info!

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    Shows vary from state to state so it's hard to say what will put you into a modified class. One thing...NCRS criteria requires that everything on the car be original!! Correct me if I'm wrong, NCRS gurus!
    NCCC has a set of guidelines that they use for their shows. You might get in touch with them.

    My husband and I enter all Corvettes-only judged shows, and in New England that means awards are based on cleanliness and condition. Typically, there are 3-4 classes--Show, Super Street and Street--as well as a modified or personalized class in some shows. There is a judging sheet (varies from hosting club to hosting club) with points for each area.

    There is a group of us here in New England who are trying to standardize the way the Corvettes are classified upon entry into the show, standardize the way the cars are judged and standardize the judging sheet. We've made great progress this year (first season) but it's a work in progress and requires flexibility to come up with the "perfect" set of guidelines...if there's any such thing!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GS Diva
    One thing...NCRS criteria requires that everything on the car be original!! Correct me if I'm wrong, NCRS gurus!
    With the Bowtie award that I received last year, original is the key. However, with NCRS Flight judging, original is great, but "factory correct" is the key. Did this part/paint ect. come from the factory this way. Bigger carb - no. Factory correct replacement carb - yes.


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    There are legitimate car shows where your car will be judged on its correctness, and there are car shows like the one that I attended yesterday in MA. What a joke this show was.

    The guy judging the corvettes didn't have a clue. There were three corvettes in the 63-67 (C2) class. Two of the three cars were '64 coupes, BOTH of them checked off as "stock," and BOTH of them with '67 stinger hoods. One of these cars actually had a 427 under the hood, and the owner of the other car told me he bought it that way, and just left it as it was. The third car was an unmolested '67 coupe, with 53,000 original miles. It was one of my favorite colors (Lyndale Blue) and an absolutely beautiful car. By umolested, I mean that the car was totally original - paint, engine, and interior.

    The two "stock" '64's took the 1st and 2nd place trophies, with the '67 taking 3rd. What a joke.

    This same judge said to my neighbor, who has a 2003 AE, "why do people bring new cars to the show? There's nothing wrong with them for me to find.....you have dirt under your tires and some dust on the engine."......this guy was serious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guy
    With the Bowtie award that I received last year, original is the key. However, with NCRS Flight judging, original is great, but "factory correct" is the key. Did this part/paint ect. come from the factory this way. Bigger carb - no. Factory correct replacement carb - yes.



    Guy
    I may have worded that wrong, when I said original, I meant how it was back in '78, the only thing I was wanting to do was add some more power (ugh ugh) but I don't want to just change 1 or 2 subtle things and get bumped up into a class where people have alot of engine work done.

    Also, what about chrome dress-up parts for under the hood, do they negatively affect your judging if you are in a stock class?

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    The key difference in NCRS Flight judging is that the car is evaluated against a well-understood and detailed published standard for originality and condition, not vs. other cars.

    I've assisted several local Corvette clubs in shows they've put on in the past year, and judging at those events was the typical NCCC "show-and-shine" judging, where originality wasn't a consideration. Their judging chairman explained that type of judging to us as essentially "the relentless search for dirt", and I found it more difficult to judge on that basis than in my many years of NCRS judging, as most of the owners who elected to have their cars "show-and-shine" judged had prepared them so meticulously.

    Without defined classes and a clearly-defined judging standard, "show-and-shine" judging pits one car against all the others, and when cleanliness is the primary differentiator, judging becomes highly subjective. Many local shows have changed recently to spectator's choice ballots instead to minimize the frustration and free up owners to wander around, look at cars, meet people, and enjoy the show instead of getting up-tight about subjective judging with no clearly-defined standard.

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    I would like to add to the NCCC Corvette Shows

    Depending upon the event, there could be as many as 6 Groups with each group broken into sub-groups (Class) for each type of Judged Event. NCCC members perform judging on Corvettes, and each event is sanctioned by NCCC. Class are outlined in Section 8 of the NCCC Rules Book..

    Here are the 6 Classifications:
    • Concours Prepared
    • Modified
    • Street Show
    • Wash & Show
    • Race Prepared
    • Custom

    Each group must meet criteria for the group they wish to show in. Each Corvette will be examined to determine its deviation from factory stock for placement in the appropriate Class. Street Show and Wash & Show may be required to prove minimum mileage. Also ALL Corvettes must pass "Operations Check Inspection" this includes signal lights working, horn, air-conditioning (if equiped) etc.. The ONE exception to this inspection is for the Wash & Show Corvettes, and note too that the hoods remained closed on Wash & Show ..

    I hope this opens a few more avenues for your consideration

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rare81
    I would like to add to the NCCC Corvette Shows

    Depending upon the event, there could be as many as 6 Groups with each group broken into sub-groups (Class) for each type of Judged Event. NCCC members perform judging on Corvettes, and each event is sanctioned by NCCC. Class are outlined in Section 8 of the NCCC Rules Book..

    Here are the 6 Classifications:
    • Concours Prepared
    • Modified
    • Street Show
    • Wash & Show
    • Race Prepared
    • Custom
    Each group must meet criteria for the group they wish to show in. Each Corvette will be examined to determine its deviation from factory stock for placement in the appropriate Class. Street Show and Wash & Show may be required to prove minimum mileage. Also ALL Corvettes must pass "Operations Check Inspection" this includes signal lights working, horn, air-conditioning (if equiped) etc.. The ONE exception to this inspection is for the Wash & Show Corvettes, and note too that the hoods remained closed on Wash & Show ..

    I hope this opens a few more avenues for your consideration

    Bud
    That sounds good! I'll have to read up on that. Guess I'll have to get the power door locks fixed!

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    I am also new to the Show arena, However I have entered 4 shows this year.

    1st show = 1st Place in "Wash&Show.
    4th show = 1st Place in "Stock"
    Now for a foot note, 2nd & 3rd shows were PEER judjed, and the 1st & 4th, were judjed by people from the club that hosted the show.
    *The host club does not enter there own cars.
    *If there are a lot of people from 1 club at the show , they tend to vote for their own members!

    I have written to MANY clubs and areas , and asked them to send me there judging criteria, because I would like to come up with a "General Format" for all to follow.
    Once I can establish some "Criteria", I will be more than happy to publish that on this Site.

    This can also be a (plea) for everyones input.
    Thanks.
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    Nice job, 2 first place trophies in 4 shows! I entered my first show yesterday, not too sure how they judged, it was just a classic car show, with all types of cars and trucks. I didn't win anything, but I didn't expect to since I've only had my '78 for 5 days!

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    I have now decided, that I will only enter a show that has "Corvette" classes to be judjed, ie c1 to c5.
    The 2nd show I enteres was for all cars and there was only 1 Corvette, class (all years, best Corvette, peer votes,1,2,3 trophys, and ther were 21 vettes at the show, I won't go back next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lbitp37
    I have now decided, that I will only enter a show that has "Corvette" classes to be judjed, ie c1 to c5.
    The 2nd show I enteres was for all cars and there was only 1 Corvette, class (all years, best Corvette, peer votes,1,2,3 trophys, and ther were 21 vettes at the show, I won't go back next year.
    I agree, you can't compare a C1 to a C5 or C6!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lbitp37
    I have now decided, that I will only enter a show that has "Corvette" classes to be judjed, ie c1 to c5.
    The 2nd show I enteres was for all cars and there was only 1 Corvette, class (all years, best Corvette, peer votes,1,2,3 trophys, and ther were 21 vettes at the show, I won't go back next year.
    Check with an NCCC representative in your area. Here is the NCCC Link

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    Quote Originally Posted by lbitp37
    I have now decided, that I will only enter a show that has "Corvette" classes to be judjed, ie c1 to c5.
    The 2nd show I enteres was for all cars and there was only 1 Corvette, class (all years, best Corvette, peer votes,1,2,3 trophys, and ther were 21 vettes at the show, I won't go back next year.
    Generally I do well in peer judging against the newer cars with my 67, I count on the nostalgia vote! However we have the same trouble with the straight axle cars we are usually in with. If there is a two headlight car, I just chalk it up to a nice day to be out. I have been beaten by several real wrecks with only two headlights. So don't think you are alone out there. :-)

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