planning ahead for motor reassembly

BarryK · 12-02-05, 10:19 AM

hi all
IF, a big IF, all goes well this weekend hopefully I'll get the motor painted and without any major problems to fix from my efforts.

I'm now trying to plan ahead for the reassembly of everything and have just a few questions if you can put up with more of them from me.

I know from a recommendation from JohnZ that when I reinstall the intake manifold I should put a drop of Permatex on the tip of the intake holddown bolts to seal the threads and keep oil from seeping up. It was also recommended to me that when I put the oil filler tube back into the intake to put some anti-seize on the bottom of it before I put it in.

what about all the rest of the bolts of parts I took off the motor and other fittings?
How do I know when it's appropiate to use a thread sealer such as the Permatex, or an anti-sieze, or locktite, or whatever?
I have to reinstall the following and not sure what I should use on any of the bolts or fittings if I should use anything at all:
water pump
exhaust manifolds
sidepeipes to exhaust manifolds
radiator hoses to intake and waterpump
all the heater hoses
bypass fitting and hose from WP to intake
new intake nipple fittings (for water pump and heater hoses)
intake manifold
oil filler tube on intake
valve covers

any of the other parts that are off I don't foresee issues that I have questions about............ yet.

also, someone else also recommended that I use "Indian Head" to smear around the insides of the various hoses - radiator hoses and heater hoses- when I go to put them all back on. I've never seen that mentioned in threads on here. Is that a good idea?

sorry for all the 'newbie" type questions again, but i want to make sure I put things back together correctly and to reduce my chances of leaks when i'm done.

Bwmurph · 12-02-05, 12:15 PM

Hi Barry,

Well IMHO you want to use Perma-tex or similar sealant anyplace where there's water or oil that can seep back up the threads and anti-seize just about everywhere else. So, I would bolt it back up as follows:

water pump - Permatex (non-hardening type)
exhaust manifolds - Anti-seize
Side Pipes - anti seize
radiator hoses - little bit of Armor-All on the ID (yeah, yeah, yeah, I know
how you feel about Armor all; use something similar)
Heater hoses - same as radiator hoses
Bypass fitting - Teflon tape or Permatex
Nipple fittings - Teflon tape or Permatex
Intake manifold bolts - Permatex or silicone
Oil filler tube - anti-seize
Valve cover bolts - nothing

Don't know what "Indian Head" is, but sure would like to find out; sounds like interesting stuff.

When do you think re-assembly will happen; let me know and if I'm around I'll give you a hand (provided you have that garage nice and toasty).

Later,

Bernie O.

BarryK · 12-02-05, 12:19 PM

cool, just the info I was looking for Bernie. I greatly appreciate it!

not sure of the date of reassembly yet, it all depends on just how well the motor block painting goes this weekend BUT if all goes well than i'm hoping to start reassembly sometime next week.
I'll always welcome a helping hand and the garage gets nice and warm and comfy to work in with the space heater going - that's how we have been working on my buddy Andy's car in there lately.

jims427400 · 12-02-05, 09:31 PM

Berry,
Well I've got the tripower all boxed up ready to ship off to Craig. I opted stopping at the intake though.Have you gotten your carb back yet ?

BarryK · 12-02-05, 10:27 PM

Jim
no, not yet but i just sent it out on the 21st. Figure it wouldn't have gotten to him until probably the 25th because of thanksgiving so he's only had it about a week. I won't even start looking for it for at least another week or so.

BarryK · 12-02-05, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Bwmurph

Don't know what "Indian Head" is, but sure would like to find out; sounds like interesting stuff.

here it is:

http://www.permatex.com/products/pro...&item_no=20539

ChuckG · 12-03-05, 03:14 AM

I LOVE Indian Head. Sometimes, in the middle of the night, I'll sneak out into the garage, open a bottle and sniff it.

Seriously, I'm no engine expert, but I've been using Indian Head gasket compound/shellac for 40 years. I use it on gaskets, and also on intake and water pump bolts.

The procedure to be VERY careful with is putting on the intake manifold. Pay particular attention to the 4 "corners" of the manifold, (the 4 "V's" created where the heads meet the front and rear of the block). THAT'S where they'll leak oil.
Chuck

Dakota kid · 12-03-05, 03:48 AM

Berry, I wish you all the skill and luck!

BarryK · 12-03-05, 07:21 AM

Hi Chuck

what are you doing up at 3:14am?

I wasn't so much questioning your recommendation on the Indian Head, I know you love that stuff - even beyond the sniffing of it

- I just never heard of it or seen it ever mentioned on here so I was trying to get more info on it.
I did find it at my local Pep Boys.

Yep, i know about the intake, everyone has warned me about those corners. i'll be sure to use a really good bead of the Permatex Ultra-copper in those corners. i want NO leaks!

BTW, I got in that paint from Bill Hirsch you suggested

BarryK · 12-03-05, 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by coolhandluke

Berry, I wish you all the skill and luck!

well, i have no skill so i need all the luck i can get!

warren s · 12-03-05, 08:05 AM

Barry

I also used Indian Head on lots of projects. Any place that a gasket could slip and move out of position I used a small amout of it to hold the gasket in place and used Permatex on the other side.

Good luck with the rebuild!

I'mAVettehead · 12-03-05, 08:13 AM

Barry, Don't use Indian Hean inside the hoses, you'll never get them off. Indian Head has it's place but it's not inside the hose. Teflon tape was never used in the factory if your going to use it use it sparingly so it can't be seen. Good Luck.

BarryK · 12-03-05, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by warren s

Barry

I also used Indian Head on lots of projects. Any place that a gasket could slip and move out of position I used a small amout of it to hold the gasket in place and used Permatex on the other side.

Good luck with the rebuild!

Hi Warren
so you use it on the gasket kinda like a glue to hold it in position....... ok, makes sense. thanks!

Kid_Again · 12-03-05, 08:31 AM

I agree with the general advice that you've been given. I also agree that I see no reason why one would want to seal the hoses with that shellac. If you have clean mounting surfaces, the hose is clean on the inside and you don't stress the hose out of shape, there is no need to to seal it. Viewed another way, if you need to seal the hose, then you should remove it and fix the problem.

I never thought of ArmourAll for hoses. For the really tough hoses (like a new lower water pump hose) I will give the metal part a shot of wd40. Not a lot, just enough to get the hose started.

I would also say that I tend to use more than a drop of sealant on the manifold and water pump bolts. I first clean the threads with 2+2 (brake cleaner is fine) and then apply a fair amount at the bottom of the thread. With antisieze grease, I use a fairly small amount as I believe the grease covers a very large surface area because of its nature.

Good luck.

BarryK · 12-03-05, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by I'mAVettehead

Barry, Don't use Indian Hean inside the hoses, you'll never get them off. Indian Head has it's place but it's not inside the hose. Teflon tape was never used in the factory if your going to use it use it sparingly so it can't be seen. Good Luck.

Thanks Vettehead. That's why I was asking. it seemed to me that it would make life difficult later on but that's what had been recommended. it sure would ensure no leaks from the hoses though!

ok, I'll limit the Indian Head to the gasket surfaces only.
i'll use permatex on the intake and other bolts.

i'm not using the teflon tape, I'll be using permatex on the bolts and fittings.