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Rob
09-13-04, 08:00 AM
Monday, September 13, 2004

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More fans of stick shift switch gears
Only 6 percent of all autos will be built with a clutch by 2012
By Eric Mayne / The Detroit News

The stick shift — an automotive mainstay since the invention of the “horseless carriage” — is slowly going the way of the tailfin and carburetor.

Thanks to technological advances and drivers looking for an easier way to navigate congested roadways, the old standard manual transmission doesn’t come standard much anymore.

“One more generation and you’ll probably have people who have absolutely no idea what a three-pedal car does,” said Bill Visnic, senior technical editor of Ward’s AutoWorld, an automotive trade magazine.

By 2012, just 6 percent of all vehicles sold in the North American market will have manual transmissions, according to a forecast by Germany’s ZF Industries, the world’s largest independent transmission maker.

In 2002, 10 percent of vehicles sold in the United States and Canada were equipped with manual gearboxes.

The trend is also occurring in European markets, where manual transmissions are losing ground to automatics. In the United Kingdom, automatic transmission installations are on pace to reach 15 percent of all models, up from 13.5 percent five years ago, according to the Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders.

Even heavy-duty and commercial trucks are making the switch. Over an eight-year span beginning in 1996, the popularity of automatic transmissions among heavy trucks rose from 5 percent to 18 percent, reports show.

Motoring purists lament the change, claiming car and motorist are only connected when the driver is shifting gears.

But for some, the fun of operating slick new automatic transmissions — some of which enable drivers to shift without a clutch — now rival the old standard gearbox. Increased traffic congestion has reduced the manual experience to drudgery for others.

Edmund Handwerker, a 19-year-old student in New York, has a 1996 Mazda Miata with an automatic transmission. “Everyone asks, ‘How come you don’t get a manual? A Miata should be manual.’ I get that from everyone,” said Handwerker. “I live in Brooklyn and I’m in stop-and-go traffic all the time.”

In a car equipped with a manual transmission, gridlock can mean pushing and releasing a clutch pedal over and over again. And since some pedals are stiffer than others, driving can be physically exhausting. And talking on a cell phone and sipping coffee — favorite pastimes of today’s drivers — is much easier without worrying about shifting gears.

Shifting is not missed
Because Ted Marshall drives 30,000 miles a year in his job selling heating and cooling equipment for K.L. McCoy in Detroit, he made sure his 2004 Pontiac GTO had an automatic transmission. And he doesn’t miss the sporty feeling associated with shifting.

“This car responds anyway — zero to 60 in 5.3 seconds,” said the 41-year-old Grosse Pointe Park resident. Friends who prefer manual transmissions stll razz him.

“They all have Porsches and BMWs,” he said. “As a daily driver, (the GTO) is a much more comfortable car.”

Reversing a decades-old industry marketing equation, Pontiac designated automatic transmission as standard equipment on the GTO. The 6-speed manual, which it shares with the Chevrolet Corvette, is a $695 option.

If manual transmissions become scarce, most dealers won’t grieve.

“We used to have the manual trans available on the Grand Am,” said Ed McDade, sales manager at Ray Laethem Pontiac Buick GMC in Detroit. “When I stocked them, they’d just sit here.

“In the past, the small economical cars with a stick would be the way to go because they were even cheaper. It’s not the case any more.”

Skill is not learned

As automatic transmissions proliferated in the last half-century, fewer and fewer people learned the time-honored skill of coordinating clutch, shifter and throttle, McDade said. And the inability to drive a stick seems to know no boundaries.
Jason Vines, vice president of communications for DaimlerChrysler AG, recalls accommodating a test drive request from an automotive writer from a national publication. The request was for a Dodge Viper.

“We had it delivered and the journalist goes, This is a stick! I can’t drive a stick!’” Vines said, noting Dodge doesn’t offer the Viper any other way.

And pity Roy P. Bougie of Blaine, Minn. He’s doing 10 years for a 2000 carjacking that failed because he couldn’t drive the vehicle he’d stolen.

“The kinds of cars that are jacked tend to be status vehicles,” said Richard Wright, University of Missouri-St. Louis criminology professor. “It’s clear, though, that manual transmissions are not preferred because people can’t drive them.”

Conversely, having the skill can bring rewards.

Al Kammerer, executive director of Ford Motor Co.’s sport utility and body-on-frame vehicles, who will soon take over product development for British brands Jaguar and Land Rover, insisted that his daughter learn to operate a manual transmission.

“She called me up one day and said, ‘Thank you, Dad.’” Kammerer recalled recently. “I said, ‘For what?’ What had happened was, there were two interns working for this publishing house. They had a photo shoot and there was one pool vehicle. It was a manual. The other intern couldn’t drive it, so she got the assignment.”

New technologies simplify

Six-speed automatics and continuously variable transmissions are among the new technologies replacing manuals. Both offer varying degrees of sporty performance and fuel efficiency, but the former can be configured to shift at the flick of a stick.

“It basically allows you to manually override the transmission,” said Paul Olexa, general sales manager at ZF Industries in Northville.

Software prevents the driver from pushing the vehicle beyond its limits.

“If you’re at the rev limit, it will take you to the next gear,” Olexa said.

This, however, can foster a point-and-shoot approach to driving that worries Randy Bleicher, a racing instructor and vice president of Arizona-based ProFormance Driving Events.

“It takes away the true essence of driving,” Bleicher said. “There used to be a skill to driving, the coordination of the feet and hands together. Now, people can go fast without thinking about what they’re doing.”

A driver’s evolution should be gradual, he added, recalling a client’s insistence that he be allowed to drive his Ferrari on ProFormance’s track. The 360 Modena was equipped with paddle shifter and no clutch.

“He went through the fence backwards,” Bleicher recalled.

You can reach Eric Mayne at (313) 222-2443 or emayne@detnews.com.

DRTH VTR
09-13-04, 08:58 AM
I have had two C5's. One was an automatic, one was a manual. I like the manual because I can choose the gear that I am in. They just sound cooler anyway. I have trouble associating performance with an automatic. The new automatic transmissions are better in some ways. But I like the idea that I have more car control with a stick.

My girlfriend would drive the automatic, but she won't drive the stick. She doesn't even like to ride in it because she gets motion sick :cry

warren s
09-13-04, 10:43 AM
Had a C4 with an auto, have a C5 with a 6 speed. I like the auto better. Under the best of conditions the performance differance between the 2 is marginal.

In other cars the stick makes way more of a differance, but with the power of most Corvettes its slight at best. Stop light drag racing, track racing or twisty back road I will take the automatic.

This reminds me, I need to practice launches with my 99 before i head to Raceway Park for that time slip. Getting that 13.4 in 95 was just a matter of stab and steer.

barkingowl
09-13-04, 10:51 AM
All of my vehicles are automatics including the 00 & the 74. I never learned how to drive a stick & have driven one once. The changing of gears always seemed like a PITA to me. I've had friends offer to teach me but I've never been interested.

Grizzly
09-13-04, 11:47 AM
For most of my cars auto is the way to go. In town it is such a blessing. Having played in the snow most of my life I also feel that in marginal traction conditions that an auto is an advantage, much smoother power aplication from a dead stop.

That being said my 67 is a 4 speed, the 92 is an auto and I wouldn't have a C2 with an auto in it. Too much fun at play time. The 92 is such a fine long legged cross country machine with all the creature comforts a stick would just be in the way.

An amusing story is that my cousin and her husband have a business and when they bought a new truck she had to go get it because none of the employees could drive a stick!

Tuna
09-13-04, 01:16 PM
All my cars are stick - 2 Vettes and a CTS-V. Wouldn't have it anyother way. To me, shifting the gears adds to the pleasure of driving. It's harder but more rewarding when you get it right. About the only time I'd really want an automatic is if it was going to be a drag car first and last, but that's not me.

lov-n-life
09-13-04, 05:59 PM
With my first Corvette, a '96, I gave in and bought the automatic because everyone told me that with the amount of low end torque the car has, it doesn't need a manual. Well being a true driver, I didn't believe them, but the price was right and the car had everything else I wanted. So I sacrificed the one option I wanted for the rest of the options I wanted. BIG MISTAKE. I had the car a week and was already looking for something else. I enjoyed the car and it was fun, but come on... it was not a driver's car. Point and shoot is not my game. When I drive for fun, I find a twisty back road that REQUIRES alot of shifting. It's about being part of the experience, not just along for the ride. I traded the '96 in for the Boxster and never looked back. Last week when it was time for a new car again, the dealer kept showing me cars with automatics after I repeatedly told him that was one option I would not sacrifice again. Play with the colors, play with every other option, but if it isn't a stick, you're wasting my time. There was a beautful Precision Red C6 on the showroom and I wouldn't even get in it because it was an auto. Instead I looked at the odly colored (Sunset Orange), and bottom end, no option C6 instead and was more impressed.
On another note, one of my best friends never learned how to drive a stick. She was always on my case about complaining about my '96 being an automatic and I wouldn't even look at another car with one. In addition, she HATED to drive. I kept trying to tell her that it was because of the car she was driving and to learn how to drive a stick and get a fun car with one. She eventually decided to try my theory and bought a Miata, with a stick, that she couldn't drive. Her husband had to drive it home. Then she had to take his car to work for the next week while he drove the Miata until I had an evening to teach her (he tried, but has no patience). Since then, she has never looked back and LOVES to drive now. With her, that says ALOT! :D

kingman
09-13-04, 08:27 PM
Hi Warren

Since l only live less then 10 miles away from Raceway Park, let me know when you plan to go there so l can team up with you.

Alan

warren s
09-13-04, 09:14 PM
Hi Warren

Since l only live less then 10 miles away from Raceway Park, let me know when you plan to go there so l can team up with you.

Alan
Alan-

I am planning to go on October 9th for the Corvette Challenge. Unless I fry my clutch doing practice launches.

jrbartholomew
09-13-04, 09:51 PM
both our vettes are autos .the stop & go traffic through town is terrible.

i think if i lived out of town i would have prefered a stick.

jeff

Rowdy1
09-13-04, 10:25 PM
I was driving in the woods at age 12 or 13 and shifting was most of the fun. I've been driving all my life, most of it for a living in big rigs, even had my own with 13 speeds or 15 speeds. Prior to the pickup I currently own, I never had an auto, but ultimately in a vette, I'd NEVER buy an auto under any conditions, UNLESS I was physically unable to shift. As for an daily driver, not being a vette, an auto is "ok" (barely).

doylede
09-13-04, 10:33 PM
I prefer an automatically shifted manual. Lacking that, as the Corvette does, I prefer an automatic.

Let us hope that the Corvette engineering group can provide us with an automatically shifted manual. These 'paddle shift' manuals are far superior to old 'row-row-row the boat' shifters, and offer peformance increases over them that mirror the old hydraulic / manual arguments.

However, lacking such good new technology, I still prefer the new generation A4 because of ease of operation. Not having driven the latest version C6 A4, I can't judge its 'computer controlled' performance, but I am happy with my 2000 A4 with the 3.15 gears.

Chevy's change to offer the Z51 package with both transmissions tells you where they are putting their money.

Patrick
09-13-04, 10:36 PM
My first Vette, a Red '91 Coupe, was automatic. My Z06- obviously- is manual. I was initially a bit nervous about getting back into a stick shift after not having driven one in a long, long time. But you originally learned to drive on a stick, its a skill you don't forget.

Now I've gotten to the point where I couldn't see myself driving a Vette that didn't have stick shift! It's just more fun, working through the gears.

:w
-Patrick

UB2 SLOW
09-14-04, 12:26 AM
I prefer stick, but I have an auto!

Vettefan87
09-15-04, 09:51 PM
I have an auto right now, but the next vette I get will be a stick. That way I can have both :Steer .


Justin

curtis
09-15-04, 11:07 PM
Looks like I should get lots of offers for my 4-speed when I change it to 700R4 this winter. Need auto so wife will be able to drive the car part of the time on Power Tour next year.

Vinn
09-15-04, 11:17 PM
To summarize my opinion in two words: I'm undecided. :)

My daily driver has an automatic. When I began shopping for the vette, I had a four speed in mind, but was open to anything. Well, when I came across this '70 454, loaded with AC, PW, PB, PS, and just about everything else, the turbo 400 transmission really didn't bother me. If I was in the market for a C2 or C1, my opinion might change since I've never driven a car with a Powerglide. So far, I've been happy with my auto, and I think I'll be even happier once I fix the reverse lights, ignition key lock, and kickdown......

In short, as long as it's a Vette, all is good! :upthumbs

bossvette
09-16-04, 09:27 PM
Looks like I should get lots of offers for my 4-speed when I change it to 700R4 this winter. Need auto so wife will be able to drive the car part of the time on Power Tour next year.

Hey Robin here is a 4-speed for ya:D

I prefer a manual and my Vette is my driver, but if I lived an the city I would consider an automatic, they are easier on everything. Plus if I lived in the city I would never get to use 5th and 6th;LOL

hAZcAT
09-25-04, 12:20 AM
I have driven autos and manuals and some weird combos, in everything from Fire Engines to tractors I go 4x4ing and tow trailers, about the only thing I haven't done is go raceing. With that being said here is my two cents.........

if the vehicle is going to be driven by more than one or two people, it really should be an auto,

autos allow a better take off from a standing start
Manuals allow for a better gear matching to speed and future conditions.
autos can over heat when pulling hills
autos are great off road, but I have seen some really great manual setups.

my 94 is an auto and my 85 is a 4+3. When I want to drive I take the 85, when I am on a date and cruzin I take the 94

DanHammer
09-25-04, 01:09 AM
I just prefer manual shifting when it comes to ... my pride and joy, my personal ride. My daily driven vehicles ... a mini van and 300E Mercedes both have auto and suits me and wife just fine. I learned to drive at age 13 on an old McArthur type jeep ... military type ... with 3 speed on the floor.

I feel like I have more control of the vehicle on a stick shift ... the hand on the shifter and foot on the clutch is like clock-work to me and coordination with the clutch and shifter is great. I can never get enough of hearing the deep sounds of the exhaust system whenever I down shift and when I accelerate and punch thru the gears ...that's when I really enjoy driving the vette. Maybe when the time comes when I loose my coordination on the clutch and shifter ... and get too old or something ...then I'll consider an auto for my personal ride.

Dan :w

DDLS1
09-25-04, 07:44 PM
My 81 was an automatic and I enjoyed it for over 4 years. This April I bought my 99 FRC, 6-speed-----------gotta say I'm lovin it :Steer Kentucky has an abundance of twisting roads begging to be run in 3rd and 4th.

c4cruiser
09-25-04, 07:44 PM
My first three Vettes were all 4-speed sticks, a 70 LS5 454, a 73 L82 and a 78 L82. After awhile I got a bit tired of shifting and when I went looking for #4, I decided that it was time for an auto.

Wound up with my 92 vert and A4 tranny. Much easier to drive in heavy traffic, doing parades with my club and just a bit more comfortable overall.

After a few years, I started to miss "rowing my own" and I was beginning to get pretty serious about autocross and track days. I retired a couple years ago so my retirement present to myself was my 87 coupe with a 4+3 just to use for autocross and track days. Now I have the best of both. Just have to decide which car to take out of the garage on any given day!

Serious sports car people probably turn green around the gills when they see a sports car with an auto in it but driven properly and maybe even a few mods and buildup to withstand the punishment of hard driving, the auto should work nearly as well as a stick. But at least with a stick, it's a whole lot more fun to get the car sideways in second gear.:D :Steer

Randy Eads
10-12-04, 12:17 PM
Stick!

Fluiddrives belong in the family car and farm tractors!

Those with automatic vettes are missing the pleasure of that little "rev-spurt" between shifts, tire smokin' controled launches, and downshifting to a stop ..... but, on the flipside, you got your "power braking"! ... give me left-leg aerobics any ol' day!!

twiget
10-12-04, 08:16 PM
Posted by Rob
“It takes away the true essence of driving,” Bleicher said. “There used to be a skill to driving, the coordination of the feet and hands together. Now, people can go fast without thinking about what they’re doing.”


I just read an article on the Popular Science website that was talking about the future of cars. In a nutshell they said cars are going to become more and more automated. All the way to the point of you inputing your destination in the nav computer, and that will be the extent of your control over it.

While on the one hand I'm all for it, just for the technilogical advances required to acheve this. However, I'm also dreading the day I get in to the "drivers seat", and all I have to do is say were I go and wait till I get there.

I think for the majority of people who have difficulty coordinating the gas and brake (lets not even consider a clutch) this will be a god-send (finally they will be able to talk on the cell phone, do their makeup, and figure out the daily crossword while doing 65mph on the interstate!!!). But for those of us who buy Corvettes and drive just for the fun of driving this will be a sad day indeed.

I just bought a new Chevy Colorado. I knew I wanted the I-5 motor and the 5 speed manual. However after talking to the sales guy at one of the dealerships, I found out that about 5% of the I-5 Colorados were being built with the 5 speed. I held out and found the truck I wanted I-5, 5 speed and all, but it kind of drives home the point that most people seem to see driving as a nessisary evil. Not as a fun and enjoyable experience.

Jason

Stallion
10-12-04, 08:49 PM
I love driving with the stick. Makes me feel more in control. In my opinion, performance cars of any sort should be manual shifts.

smook
10-14-04, 12:01 AM
Well,

I have one that is stick, the Z06. And of course that's the way this car should be.

Then I have another that is auto. My 'vert and of course it should be auto, since it's the car to drive to work and talk on the phone etc.

I would NOT like to drive the Z06 in downtown traffic. AUTO is best for that.

SO.... two answers STICK and AUTO, depending on the occasion.
Mix it UP.

HEHE!
-Bill.:D