Passenger Toe Kick Panel Accessory Power Plug Missing on 2004 - C4C5Specialist ? ? ?

[MortsVette]

C4C5 specialist - can you maybe help ?

On my 2000 NBM Coupe I had an accessory power plug located under the passenger side toekick board. I followed Frank Hunt’s great instructions (http://www.frankhunt.com) and did the Valentine 1 install with no sweat. I had the remote display mounted just in front of the gas gauge.
Now I own a 2004 Torch Red Coupe (thanks to Ken @ the VetteNet ! ! ). First 2004 delivered in Bradenton, FL.
So, having a couple spare minutes today, I drag out the Valentine 1, wires, remote display, tape – all the good tools of an amateur electrician. I even can use a solder gun 2 out of 3 times without serious injury.
When I remove the kick panel I discover the kick panel doesn’t have the connectors like the storage compartment covers in the back anymore – just two pieces of velcro in the upper right and left corners – and as luck would have it – one of those is missing on my panel.
No sweat though – I get the panel off. Guess what – in the words of the great Gomer Pyle – “Well, Shazam, Shazam, Shazam” – NO accessory power plug !. I even removed the BCM (the silver box) – pretty simple tab at the bottom and a couple slide down hooks at the top. I am positive there is no accessory plug like before. I think I have even seen 2003 owners refer to this plug.
Well, I’m here to tell ya’, it ain’t there on a ’04. Also, the BCM tab at the bottom doesn’t have a screw anymore like the 2000. When Frank wrote his instructions, that’s where he got a ground.
Every bundle of wires terminates in a multiple wired receptacle. I tugged gently on every bundle I saw. No luck. Searched all over, under and behind the area and even under the BCM module plastic mounting plate - no joy. If I dig around anymore in there, I’ll end up in the battery box ! I am certain the accessory plug is not installed on the 2004. When I posted this question on another forum, a 2004 owner said he couldn’t’ find it either.
So the question that arises - - -
Where do I get switched power for a Valentine 1 install ? And just as important, where do I get switched power close to a ground, not just any old screw. As you all know, there aren’t too many places to pick up a real ground.
Maybe go to the passenger kick panel fuse box and tap into a “Spare” slot for the hot wire ? If so, is there a ground near there ? And I would want switched power, not constant. Any way to tell if the “Spare” is switched power without just experimenting? Do you suppose I need to go to the engine compartment fuse box to get power and a ground.

Thanks for your help. And here we thought there were no changes for 2004 ! The General surprises us again.
Mort

[Vettelt193]

Just a thought... On every C4 that I have owned, the owners manual explained where to find the accessory power that you are talking about. have you checked that? I am guessing they moved it on you Unfortunately, I haven't owned a C5, so I can't tell you if they print that info in the manuals from experience on them though. hope this helps

[atz06]

My understanding is for 2004, GM removed the 12v power wire at the kick board. You have to get the power from either the rear view mirror or the fuse box.

[fhturner]

Don't know if this will help or not, but my installation guy was up underneath the dash on the driver's side when he installed my Passport 8500. He removed the panel that slopes downward from the steering column area and connected the wiring harness there. The 8500 is mounted just under the rearview on the driver's side, and the wire runs up along the top edge of the windshield, then down the left side (he removed the A-pillar "trim panel" or whatever you call the piece on the inside of the A-pillar), and underneath to some power source above the pedals. I didn't directly see where the wiring harness was connected. Anyway, hope that might be helpful. I can try to provide some more detail if that's the path you'd like to take.

L8r,
Fred

[c4c5specialist]

Hi there,
This is news to me.
I will check the 04s that I have here, and repost.
Thank you for the update, c4c5

[c4c5specialist]

HI there,
A quick inspection of 2 04 cars there are here.
Neither has any plug visible.
I will be taking one apart on Sat, to see if I can find it.
Allthebest, c4c5

[MortsVette]

C4C5 -

I appreciate your help. I already took half the car apart. I removed the BCM, took off a black rubber silencer piece, if I remove any more parts I'll be inside the engine compartment

It's defintiely not there. Maybe it's somewhere else, like under the drivers side dash, but it definitely is not located on the top left of the BCM like it was in 2000, and later years.

So, I'm confident you won't find it.

Having said that - my original request stands - any idea where I can find switched power near a ground ?

Good luck in your search. I have also searched the owners manual - there is no mention of it. Seems to me if the plug was there it would be addressed on 5-92 of the manual.

I appreciate your efforts.

Mort

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[64VETTE]

From what I see in the electrical schematics for my 2002 the wire (Yel) from ASRY OFF Fuse 11 is not used and it along with a ground (Blk) and a hot lead (Orn) are folded back and taped. I'm assuming these would have be used for a switched aux power connector. Two of these three wires originate from the I/P fuseblock and go to connector C206. The third wire (Blk) originates from a ground splice pack. This is a 3 pin connector and is not used with output wires taped. It's location is "under the electronic traction/suspension control switch". I believe that their talking about center console traction control on/off switch. I would locate that connector and use the yel (POWER) and blk (GRND) wires for your switched power needs.

Goodluck,

LEC

[MortsVette]

64Vette

Thanks. I'll go look in the console. It's fairly easy to get to.

I'll let you know what I find.

Thanks for the help.

Mort

[lov-n-life]

Any more word on this? I too have an '04 and I was just out going through my owner's manual to figure out exactly where the power supply was. I'm in the midst of hooking up an XM radio modulator that is hard wired.