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Old 05-10-03, 04:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default heat valve/riser questions

I've been having problems with perculation and some of my research has pointed me to the heat valve/riser.

1. First, is a heat valve and a heat riser the same thing?

2. What is a heat valve/riser used for?

3. How do I verify operation of a heat valver/riser?

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The heat riser valve is attached to the R.H. exhaust manifold outlet, sandwiched inbetween the manifold and the exhaust pipe flange. It's cast iron, and has a valve plate inside that's controlled by an external coiled bi-metallic spring. When the engine is cold, the spring holds the valve closed, which re-routes the hot exhaust gases from the R.H. manifold through the passage in the center of the intake manifold, out the left side, through a passage in the L.H. head and out through the L.H. exhaust manifold.

The hot gases going through the intake crossover passage do two things - they heat the floor of the intake plenum, which helps the fuel/air mixture vaporize during warmup until the intake manifold heats up (which improves cold driveability), and they heat the little "well" the remote choke thermostat mounts in so its bi-metallic spring can unwind, which gradually pulls off the choke to the full open position.

You can tell if it's working by pushing on the weight (cold engine so you don't burn your fingers) - it should move a full 90 degrees, and spring back when you let it go. Generally, the weight should be in the "up" position when cold, and in the "down" position with the engine warmed up and running. If it's hard to move or stuck, GM makes a "Heat Riser Lubricant" in a spray can that will usually free it up. If it's stuck closed, it kills performance due to the exhaust restriction, and will pass hot gases through the crossover passage all the time, which will heat the intake constantly, causing fuel to percolate in the float bowls, especially after shutdown.

If you don't drive in cold weather, just wire it open; it may take a little longer for the choke to pull off, but it will also make the R.H. side of the exhaust system last longer. The right side always rusts out first because it doesn't get as hot as the left side, because of the heat riser valve (especially if it doesn't open all the way). If yours is shot, replacements are about $35.00.
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Thanks John,

I checked the riser with the engine cold and it does move freely when I push down on it. I took it out for a ride just now and got it warmed up to normal operationg temp (which looks like 205). I parked, popped the hood with the motor running and the riser was in the same position (maybe very slighly open). Is this normal or should the riser have been wide open?
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John Z is dead on the money. In my limited experience ... most folks don't need the exhaust x-over ... & those hot gases heat up the plenum & carb & do hurt horsepower. If you're keeping it original .... disregard the following: Next time the intake manifold is off car ... go ahead & block both sides of x-over ... two thin steel 1 1/4" x 1 3/4" shims ... silicone them to the intake. And wire the choke open. BTW ... most mid-rise & hi-rise aftermarket intakes don't have x-over ... & most mid-to-hipo aftermarket heads don't either.
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Thanks John,

I checked the riser with the engine cold and it does move freely when I push down on it. I took it out for a ride just now and got it warmed up to normal operationg temp (which looks like 205). I parked, popped the hood with the motor running and the riser was in the same position (maybe very slighly open). Is this normal or should the riser have been wide open?
It may not open fully at idle - it needs some exhaust pressure to open the (offset) valve and keep it open; rev it up while watching the weight and see if it moves down. If it doesn't move, the bi-metallic spring is probably shot, and you can either wire it open (down) or replace it. Another option is to use the iron spacer the F.I. cars used (they had no crossover passage); you have to use a valve or a spacer or the exhaust pipe won't fit up to the manifold outlet. Blocking off the crossover passages in the intake will stop the manifold heating, but it also requires using either a wired-open valve or the spacer, and you lose your choke function.
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I'm having true duals put in and having them take off the riser. I'll keep it for the next owner. Also with it off, it should add better exhaust. It will be true 2"
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JohnZ you said replacements are only $35.00?? i need a heat riser for my 1980 and the only ones i can find are around $100. is there any possiblilty you would know where to find a cheap replacement??? even if its just a spacer (because im gettin historic tags, emissions dont matteer to me, but savin some $$ does). any way u could point me in the right direction??
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JohnZ you said replacements are only $35.00?? i need a heat riser for my 1980 and the only ones i can find are around $100. is there any possiblilty you would know where to find a cheap replacement??? even if its just a spacer (because im gettin historic tags, emissions dont matteer to me, but savin some $$ does). any way u could point me in the right direction??
See your other post.
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